Tired of getting harassed when flying my sUAS

I think the underlying reason so many are ignorant about where drones fly is because so many drone pilots ignore the rules and do stupid things. Those stupid things are what people hear about and now we are classified as "perverts", "spies", and just "up to no good" people.
There you go, and this is 100% correct.

Unfortunately, it's a lost cause. There are just too many children with no sense of community and responsibility -- necessary to function in a society with other people, and something you can't simply ignore and expect to get your way -- to maintain our access to this technology and hobby.

Just look at some of the postings here, by some of the (putative) adults with these toys.

Enjoy it while you can. The technology is just going to get easier and easier for jerks to fly and screw it up for those of us that are doing this for serious fun, rather than "pranking" others. I give it 2 years before you will not be able to fly at all without a part 107 cert.
 
As a active pilot I agree to an extent. I often approach operators flying drones( you are not a pilot flying a drone sorry that's just the truth) who don't know a god **** thing about the airspace they are flying in or what's around them. Honestly a pilot who was flying at almost 2000ft was almost punched in the mouth for saying "I got an eye out for aircraft" if pretty much say if one sees someone operating in that manner one should just pop them in the mouth. Some of drone operators really need that. But for the most part I fine most know and care where they are flying and the FAR's that regulate them'
Really? Well then what are you?

Seriously.

And what are those Air Force personnel flying drones remotely several thousand miles away over Iraq, et al? You say they're not pilots. What is the correct term then?

You seem to be the keeper of "the truth". I'd like to stay up on it.

Frankly, YOU are just as much a part of the problem as the wet-behind-the-ears teen who thinks it's funny to hover looking in the neighbor's window, your unimpressive boasting about being an active pilot notwithstanding (guess what, me too, although not current at the moment). Calling for violence in the face of concerned/irritated bystanders, regardless of how justified or not their complaints are, is WORSE than the idiotic activities of the kids.

Want to see the rules for hobby use of these aircraft be buttoned up tighter than a Max Security prison? Start punching people in the mouth.

If someone is being obnoxious and bothering you, politely tell them to go away. If they persist, they are assaulting you. Call the police.

That's how civilized people deal with such things. Frankly, I'm rather concerned that someone like you with so little self-control has a Pilot's License.
 
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I wear a Glock lanyard with my RC. I hope if someone actually gets close enough to read it, they might have second thoughts. Plus, it looks cool anyway.
I hope your attitude lands you in prison.

I am a proud member of the NRA, own many guns, shoot for sport, and am an avid and active RKBA supporter. We do not need people with attitudes like yours a part of a very serious issue.

People that use threats of violence with firearms, no matter how mild and subtle, have no place around firearms at all. It is because of yahoos like you that I can't by a magazine for MY Glock bigger than 10 rounds here in CA.

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Now, if you were otherwise simply a nice guy that liked guns, and proudly wore a Glock lanyard because you liked Glocks, that would be an entirely different matter. But then, the idea of mentioning that someone might have "second thoughts" (wink wink, haha) upon seeing it would never have entered your mind to even post.
 
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Somehow I don't think the FAA was referring to, recreational drones, more like the Reaper's.
A point to remember is that Global Hawks can shoot back ........ LOL !
Sorry you're wrong - that includes ALL DRONES, recreational, Commercial and 107. Their rationale is they are registered aircraft (or at least supposed to be registered)

"Title 18, Section 32 of United State Code (18 USC 32) which states that “whoever willfully sets fire to, damages, destroys, disables, or wrecks any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States . . . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years or both."
 
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Too many liberals wanting the government to control everything that we do. Usually people who aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves and need someone else advising them.
Well Richard, those liberals are citizens too, with equal rights to yours, so what do propose to do? Punch them in the mouth as some here would? Subtly threaten to shoot them by flashing your firearms bling?

I'm probably more conservative than you in terms of my political views (I usually am in almost all conversations). Difference is, I understand that my views are no more legitimate, and have equal weight to those of others that disagree with me. I understand that the best way to govern a society is with Rule of Law, and that those rules are best made through compromise in the democratic process. So, I engage that process peacefully, and (metaphorically) fight to achieve what I think is right.

At 55, I've come to understand that I'll be most successful in that with persuasion, not animosity. Why so many fail to understand this -- when it is precisely a factual truth for them personally as well -- mystifies me.

What do you want: Rules that accommodate our needs as much as possible, or heavy restriction?

After reading this, and a few other threads the past few weeks, it inspired me to do something I hadn't thought of: I put together a flyer about myself, my drone interests and activities here in the neighborhood. I visited 42 neighbors in the immediate area and either handed it to them (with a little discussion), or left it on their door.

With 2 exceptions, the outcome has been amazing. I've had a dozen or so com by (the flier had an invitation) to check it all out. Three have asked me if I would shoot their homes for them. One has gone out and purchased a P4. Most important, I fly all over my neighborhood area now with basically no issues, no one is bothered, they know who to call if they have a problem with me flying right then for some reason, etc., and I can fly for the most part freely.

People fear what they don't know. The media does a great job of stoking this, rather than informing. This simply is the way it is, and no amount of complaining and chest-beating is going to change it. If we want this hobby to continue to expand and improve, we better learn how to exercise it cooperatively with the vast majority of the public we live with that simple doesn't give a **** about model aircraft, and if left to the media and other ignorant sources of information, will see it as a sinister nuisance.

The worst thing any of us can do in "the cause" is to confirm and strengthen those suspicions by behaving like scary, annoying people.
 
As a active pilot I agree to an extent. I often approach operators flying drones( you are not a pilot flying a drone sorry that's just the truth) who don't know a god **** thing about the airspace they are flying in or what's around them. Honestly a pilot who was flying at almost 2000ft was almost punched in the mouth for saying "I got an eye out for aircraft" if pretty much say if one sees someone operating in that manner one should just pop them in the mouth. Some of drone operators really need that. But for the most part I fine most know and care where they are flying and the FAR's that regulate them'

And what are those Air Force personnel flying drones remotely several thousand miles away over Iraq, et al? You say they're not pilots. What is the correct term then?

Some thoughts;

You're average Joe Hobbyist, you buy a drone, operate it (hopefully legally) have fun. Non-pilot

You get you're 107 certificate - you hold an FAA airman's rating, you are a sUAS operator (pilot)

You're in the military - you complete drone operator's school (which now consists of some actual flight training) you are a military drone pilot, receive a rating and are issued wings. (some of these pilots are enlisted)

For Freshly Graduated UAV Pilots, a New Era Begets a New Set of Wings

My 2 cents...
 
And no. You're an operator, not a pilot[emoji23]
sUAS Pilot.jpg
 
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Enjoy it while you can. The technology is just going to get easier and easier for jerks to fly and screw it up for those of us that are doing this for serious fun, rather than "pranking" others. I give it 2 years before you will not be able to fly at all without a part 107 cert.

If not sooner, agree 100%
 
I hope your attitude lands you in prison.

I am a proud member of the NRA, own many guns, shoot for sport, and am an avid and active RKBA supporter. We do not need people with attitudes like yours a part of a very serious issue.

People that use threats of violence with firearms, no matter how mild and subtle, have no place around firearms at all. It is because of yahoos like you that I can't by a magazine for MY Glock bigger than 10 rounds here in CA.

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Now, if you were otherwise simply a nice guy that liked guns, and proudly wore a Glock lanyard because you liked Glocks, that would be an entirely different matter. But then, the idea of mentioning that someone might have "second thoughts" (wink wink, haha) upon seeing it would never have entered your mind to even post.

Chill out, man. You sure are inferring a lot about my attitude. Me subtly displaying that I like glocks and thus may or may not be carrying one is in no way a threat of violence. The whole point I'm trying to make is that if someone gets in my face, they may have second thoughts not to escalate physically because I might be armed. **** I can open carry here if I want to, and neither is that a threat of violence.

I'm very well trained with firearms and the force continuum after 6 years of active service and armed security duty. Your post reads like like I just brandish my weapon any time someone makes me uncomfortable. Spare me your concern trolling.
 
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My friend uses his drone for agriculture photography of crop progress. A recently moved in neighbor shot it down like it was a pheasant last fall. When he confronted the guy he said it was over his property line and he can shoot down anything he cares. Still in small claims court for the $1800 lost.
He should have reported it to the FAA immediately so they can refer it to the FBI. From that point the FBI will determine how to proceed or IF to proceed.
 
Well Richard, those liberals are citizens too, with equal rights to yours, so what do propose to do? Punch them in the mouth as some here would? Subtly threaten to shoot them by flashing your firearms bling?

I'm probably more conservative than you in terms of my political views (I usually am in almost all conversations). Difference is, I understand that my views are no more legitimate, and have equal weight to those of others that disagree with me. I understand that the best way to govern a society is with Rule of Law, and that those rules are best made through compromise in the democratic process. So, I engage that process peacefully, and (metaphorically) fight to achieve what I think is right.

At 55, I've come to understand that I'll be most successful in that with persuasion, not animosity. Why so many fail to understand this -- when it is precisely a factual truth for them personally as well -- mystifies me.

What do you want: Rules that accommodate our needs as much as possible, or heavy restriction?

After reading this, and a few other threads the past few weeks, it inspired me to do something I hadn't thought of: I put together a flyer about myself, my drone interests and activities here in the neighborhood. I visited 42 neighbors in the immediate area and either handed it to them (with a little discussion), or left it on their door.

With 2 exceptions, the outcome has been amazing. I've had a dozen or so com by (the flier had an invitation) to check it all out. Three have asked me if I would shoot their homes for them. One has gone out and purchased a P4. Most important, I fly all over my neighborhood area now with basically no issues, no one is bothered, they know who to call if they have a problem with me flying right then for some reason, etc., and I can fly for the most part freely.

People fear what they don't know. The media does a great job of stoking this, rather than informing. This simply is the way it is, and no amount of complaining and chest-beating is going to change it. If we want this hobby to continue to expand and improve, we better learn how to exercise it cooperatively with the vast majority of the public we live with that simple doesn't give a **** about model aircraft, and if left to the media and other ignorant sources of information, will see it as a sinister nuisance.

The worst thing any of us can do in "the cause" is to confirm and strengthen those suspicions by behaving like scary, annoying people.


Well said!
 
Alright gang... drop the guns, politics, and the other derogatory comments now or this thread will be locked and some members will get some needed time off from from the forum.

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How do we expect non-"drone" people to understand the lawful use of our AC when our own community can not agree or state what the Federal rules/laws are?

I continually see arguments about night flying, operational height, flying over private property (even on this thread alone) LOS, etc.

I know there are basically 2 sets of "rules". One for "amateur" use and one for "professional" use. Putting aside the fact that some of these are rules, some are regulations and some are laws, how do we expect the general public to understand any of this when, for example, a simple question of "Are night flights against the law?" cannot generate among our members a simple answer that is backed up by a government document?
It's true that there are a lot of gray areas where there is not a black and white answer but the rationale behind the gray should be able to be explained - with proof.
There is more misinformation on drone sites than fake news published on Google.
What do you really expect from your next door neighbor when we don't know what the law is?
 
Good points Kong works. I am studying to take the Remote Pilot License Knowledge Test. So I know there is a lot of gray area. I usually do not to put much value in many of the things posted here unless they cite Ann FAA document. And I agree that most folks seem to forget or not understand that there are two sets of rules - one for hobbyists and one for commercial pilots.
 
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How do we expect non-"drone" people to understand the lawful use of our AC when our own community can not agree or state what the Federal rules/laws are?

I continually see arguments about night flying, operational height, flying over private property (even on this thread alone) LOS, etc.

I know there are basically 2 sets of "rules". One for "amateur" use and one for "professional" use. Putting aside the fact that some of these are rules, some are regulations and some are laws, how do we expect the general public to understand any of this when, for example, a simple question of "Are night flights against the law?" cannot generate among our members a simple answer that is backed up by a government document?
It's true that there are a lot of gray areas where there is not a black and white answer but the rationale behind the gray should be able to be explained - with proof.
There is more misinformation on drone sites than fake news published on Google.
What do you really expect from your next door neighbor when we don't know what the law is?

Good points Kong works. I am studying to take the Remote Pilot License Knowledge Test. So I know there is a lot of gray area. I usually do not to put much value in many of the things posted here unless they cite Ann FAA document. And I agree that most folks seem to forget or not understand that there are two sets of rules - one for hobbyists and one for commercial pilots.

The rules for flying our drones are for the most part pretty clear and pretty accessible. The best place to access them "straight from the horse's mouth" is right here;

Getting Started

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf

AOPA is another great resource that is now allowing drone pilots/ operators/ owners to join.

Drones - AOPA

For those who are not airplane pilots or who never dealt with the aviation business, some of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) could be vague and confusing. To assist in understanding FARs, the FAA puts out Advisory Circulars that will go into detail about regulations. Here's the link to AC 107-2 that explains in detail the requirements of FAR 107.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_107-2.pdf

Hope this helps...
 
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So far, I've only had one person give me **** about flying. I was working in the public right of way and had permission of the property owner, and he was some neighbor from down the street who started yelling "Hey!.... Hey!" When I turn my attention towards him he starts yelling at me because I am flying over electric power lines and that I am not allowed to fly within 15feet of them, which I tried to assured him that I had no intention of getting close to for obvious reasons. Next I got the obligatory "...who are you and what are you doing, who are you working for, etc?" Usually when people approach me and they're polite I usually respond with kind remarks, and if they linger I tell them what I'm doing and give them a little education about the new technology. Trolls like the one I mentioned don't get nothing from me except questions right back at them such as who are you then? Are you the owner, etc? Otherwise, without satisfactory answers to my return questions the conversation is over. They get nothing from me unless they produce a badge, because they're already pretty committed to their stupidity to be won over if they are confronting me in such a hostile manner. Isn't it amazing that a simple thing as good manners can make all the difference.

One thing to keep in mind is that if someone is harassing you, I would argue that it is better to land immediately with your full attention to your aircraft and your own personal safety, then get out of there. You can always come back later or with a police escort. The reason why is that your natural fight-or-flight response will be activated by the harassment, akin to someone breaking into the flight deck door on a commercial airliner. As a PIC, whether you like it or not, you no longer have a sterile cockipit, i.e. your blood is starting to boil, and thus you are distracted, I know it seems like letting the turkeys win, but crashing your AC because you're ****** off isn't going to make you feel better.

Happy flight and safe landings,
 

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