DJI Mandatory, uninterruptible actions are wrong, legally actionable

I scuba with this lawyer who's friend, he just threw his 2 cents in. The FAA and juries aren't going to distinguish, so our tools to fly our "toys" do Ned to give us as much control as is reasonable. I maintain, a pilot should always have total control over all systems, manual or automatic, of his craft.

I have the logs and the only items of any note I posted above, what else should I be looking for?

I am beginning to chalk this up to a bug in the software. After all, version 1.9.2 came out with "bug fixes" pretty quick after 1.9.1 (which is what I flew at that time) and, unlike what I keep being told, I did not have any control over the landing. Just trying to figure it out, not sue anyone.


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I agree with most of your conclusions - although not all of the logic you used to arrive at them - and certainly not comparing a Phantom to a Cessna.

What I do agree with is that DJI should not be "helping" to enforce "some" laws and that as long as we have a stable link to the aircraft - we should be able to override any built-in logic. There are laws against doing certain things and it is not up to DJI to enforce those laws - and especially not up to them to selectively enforce "some" of the rules - unless mandated to do so.

I, however would not be against DJI logging and reporting pilot actions (if asked for by law enforcement) as a trade-off for the full control we are asking for. Would you?


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You had a warning. It clearly shows in line B. You did not use caution as advised and flew over a highway which you shouldn't have done regardless of the warning status.

Line B is take off & and a class D warning only which I noted and took into consideration. Line G is thousands of feet away and a hard NFZ (which doesn't exist, I'm suspecting a software error).

I didn't fly over a highway. I stayed over covered buildings, except briefly - but that's besides the point utterly.
 
I agree with most of your conclusions - although not all of the logic you used to arrive at them - and certainly not comparing a Phantom to a Cessna.

What I do agree with is that DJI should not be "helping" to enforce "some" laws and that as long as we have a stable link to the aircraft - we should be able to override any built-in logic. There are laws against doing certain things and it is not up to DJI to enforce those laws - and especially not up to them to selectively enforce "some" of the rules - unless mandated to do so.

I, however would not be against DJI logging and reporting pilot actions (if asked for by law enforcement) as a trade-off for the full control we are asking for. Would you?

I make comparisons to full sized aircraft because I believer, today, the FAA is treating us as the same type of pilot. I mean, if I break air flight laws with my UAS or Cessna, they are going to charge me under the same sections of law and same penalties if I'm flying a P4 or a 747. This is why I'm treating this seriously and not as a toy. If I'm being threatened with legal action, fines, jail for breaking a law, then I have to treat it that seriously, no matter what the hardware is.

ALL I've been saying, in my way (which seems to rub some wrong, sorry); A Pilot Should Always Have Control Over His Craft. There should not be a Automatic Hard Landing. If we are being asked to shoulder big boy responsibilities we need to be able to do so. All I'm asking is, when you hit a NFZ, give stern solid warnings, prevent further intrusion (stop motion further into the NFZ) but allow the craft to return home, hover, maneuver (except further inwards), anything but Forced Auto Landing.

I believe that if you are charged with a violation by the FAA, both prosecution and defense are going to subpoena those flight records already. I'm not opposed, that's how it works.

My post is intended to INCREASE safety and help a pilot be more responsible. I'm not opposed to NFZs or legal flight records or responsible flight. I'd like DJI to fix their software before something serious happens that then affects us all. And it's a MINOR fix; change "forced auto landing" to "hover" - that's the simple version. I'd prefer as I wrote above but I'll take a hover until moving away from NFZ because it's quicker, today.
 
Class D warning is a pretty good indication that a NFZ is somewhere near. Without knowing the exact location of the takeoff and forced landing, all I have to go by are the two messages. IMHO, ignoring the first resulted in the second. Briefly or not, you shouldn't be over or even close to a highway nor over buildings. Actions like these are the reason why DJI implemented some safeguards. Maybe there was a software bug. Maybe there was a problem with position reading. Maybe... Still, in my mind, there is no maybe about your responsibility for the drone ending up on the highway. YMMV

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5:49 you are in a NFZ, auto landing.

Don't understand all the command timeouts, never seen these before.

At 6:22 "Landing Canceled" - really? I estimate by that time it had already touched down, but I don't know. Was out of sight at that point.



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Hey Drestin. First, I want to say I don't own a Phantom drone, or any drone for that matter...yet.

Why was autoland initiated in the first place? Why didn't it just stop and hover, or turn around if it thought you were entering a NFZ? I watched a youtube video from Ken Heron - (DJI Phantom 4 - Flying in RESTRICTED Airspace (Graceland)). In that video, when he tried to fly into a NFZ, the drone stopped and wouldn't let him fly forward. He had to turn the drone around. That makes sense to me. Autolanding in place doesn't make sense to me.
 
Hey Drestin. First, I want to say I don't own a Phantom drone, or any drone for that matter...yet.

Why was autoland initiated in the first place? Why didn't it just stop and hover, or turn around if it thought you were entering a NFZ? I watched a youtube video from Ken Heron - (DJI Phantom 4 - Flying in RESTRICTED Airspace (Graceland)). In that video, when he tried to fly into a NFZ, the drone stopped and wouldn't let him fly forward. He had to turn the drone around. That makes sense to me. Autolanding in place doesn't make sense to me.

I agree. It SHOULD not go into uninterruptible Auto Landing but it did. People are writing to tell me that it shouldn't but - it did. I have the flight log as well as video to match. It hit this invisible line it CLAIMED was a NFZ and - blamo - down she went and nothing I could do about it. If it's a bug then that's what it is; but it did happen as I described and in such a fashion is a hazard and a liability.
 
Dear DJI,

I have a couple of Phantom P4s and I love them; fly them daily as a hobbyist and am working towards becoming a FAA licensed UAS pilot. You have a great product, hardware and software. Kudos!

An incident today and the hours since has given me time to reflect and come to a conclusion that I wanted to openly discuss before it becomes an issue you address in court as I feel some day you will.

UAS (drones) are being treated as serious devices by the FAA now. These are not toys anymore, we have legal obligations and can suffer real and serious fines and penalties for violating them. Not just No Fly Zones, but obligations regarding maximum altitude, VLOS requirements, day time flying rules, etc. The most important take away from this paragraph is that we are now in the realm of regulated legal equipment and their pilots. When your hardware/software, that we MUST use in order to fly the device we purchased from you, FORCES us to break a law or travel in an unsafe way then we are FORCED to address this with you. Hopefully we can fix this in an open discussion before it becomes one where an attorney says, My client isn't at fault, his equipment MADE him do this, he had NO choice/control whatsoever.

ANYONE today can jump into ANY helicopter and airplane and take off ANYWHERE at ANYTIME and can fly ANYWHERE at ANY altitude ANY speed. Now, ALL of these things are regulated, there are laws that tell us what we cannot do, but we can physically do them (right or wrong is a legal issue). So, there are LAWS that prevent us from doing some of these things or combinations of things. In a regular airplane or helicopter, we must obey No Fly Zones and other Flight Restrictions, but it's up to the pilot to actually obey them. UAS pilots are learning about these things now with the classes and tests for UAS licenses. And we are expected to obey them, just as any other pilot. However; let's be clear; TONIGHT I can go jump in my buddys airplane, not bother calling the tower, taxi and just take off right into other air traffic and point my nose at the White House and go flying over it. What's going to happen is I'll be noticed and someone will try to contact me. Likely I'll be intercepted. Certainly I'll be "talked to", perhaps prosecuted, perhaps go to jail and pay big fines. Etc Etc Etc. You know who does all that? The FAA and other police agencies. You know who does NOT do that? DJI or Cessna or Boeing or any other hardware or software maker.

On sophisticated aircraft there are warning devices and computers, they tell you if you are going to stall, if your fuel is low, if your flying too fast or slow or too high or low, if your gear is stuck down or up, if there are issues with other electronics aboard. You can be told that your gas tank has less than 1/8th gallon left as you take off for a transoceanic flight. Your GPS and compass can say it's not working as you barrel down the runway and you pull up into the wild blue yonder.

WHILE you are flying - you computer systems can tell you; "Hey, we are nearly out of fuel." and"HEY, We are REALLY low on fuel!" They can say, "GPS says we are in a no fly zone. or "HEY We Just Crossed Into An The Pentagons restricted air space!"
Here is what NO aircraft or helicopter will do: It will NOT TAKE CONTROL away and FORCE the vehicle to do something that you can do nothing but watch in horror as it occurs.

Imagine we got a 747 super low on fuel coming in to land at Chicago and Oh Oh, it's at 1% fuel remaining - so the auto pilot kicks in an Automatically Starts Landing in the middle of a school yard or into a football stadium or into the lake or into a fuel refinery or nuke plant. Or you are flying your helicopter and suddenly the GPS and Computer aboard announce, "You have just entered a no fly zone" - AND IMMEDIATELY just stop, hover, then begin to land on top of a large playground filled with children, or it immediately starts to land in the middle of a lake. And You Can DO NOTHING about it but sit there and die, possibly to you and your passengers own screaming deaths! And if you should survive then the FAA comes to kick your *** you'll be saying, "I didn't do it, the plane/helicopter just did it all by itself!"

Some might be saying, "You did something wrong." Perhaps; but you are not the judge or jury. And, what about emergencies? In an emergency you can land in NFZs, in an emergency you can go to whatever altitude you need. What if this is a genuine emergency - Oh No, I struck a bird and one engine is out I'm declaring an emergency landing at the nearest airport, Oh No that is a NFZ and I can't authorize GEO because no cell service DOWN DOWN DOWN you go and right into the path of another plane or crash landing on a freeway or top of some building or into a crowd of people.

My Point - Yes, We WANT and LOVE your automatic features. When I lose connection and you auto return me home - dude, awesome! But when it's partially back and I regain control, you let me resume flight. Cool
However, When the battery hits critical low you force me to land (except the small "trick" of keeping altitude by forcing the left stick up ... what if I NEED to go up and over a small obstacle before I make a 100% safe landing? Just like a plane pilot who's "Flying on Fumes, the gauge says empty but she's still flying so go baby go please! In DJI land, "Sorry, our sensor reads X%, down you go" and despite the fact that the craft is still flying , you force us down potentially damaging or destroying our craft and maybe hurting others or breaking the law. This is wrong.

Tonight - I took off in a familiar area and flew a familiar path. The familiar warning to call the helipad near me came up and I self-authorized because I had already called them, we know each other by now ;) Flying and doing just fine, all is well ---- then suddenly, "You Have Entered a No-fly Zone. Landing Now..."
Let's forget the "What NFZ?!" No time for that. I am a pilot and I am in charge of my craft. I have a fully flight capable craft and I am in contact with it, visually and electronically and it's working just fine. I've hit an invisible wall - right or wrong -- and being told I must not legally go further. Ok Ok I hear you and I have EVERY intention of NOT breaking the law and I'm perfectly happy to stop, and leave, hell, I'll even be happy to do a Return to Home. What I am NOT OK with is: And she just hovers then starts to drop. Gimbal downwards, AWESOME I'm coming down into a tree edged active roadway.

Here I watch helplessly as I go from legal to legally warned to screw-you-pilot, you going down and breakin' laws! Miraculously I do not hit a branch and she lands perfectly in the middle of the left lane. And I gimbal upwards to watch a car come right for her. Braking hard it doesn't hit. I'm already heading to my car with my partner and he drives as I'm watching on the screen someone stopping traffic, grabbing the drone and jumping in their car with it (lost signal). There are cars all around, whipping past him. He was endangered, they were endangered, my vehicle was endangered.
I get to the place and pull up just to survey the area. There is a car pulled over on the shoulder idling. I get out of my car and a dad and his son get out. And there's my drone. There are good people. They returned it to me. The father reporting he "practically had a heart attack" because it "practically landed on my roof" and then I was nearly rear-ended. I gave them all the cash I had as a reward and thanked them profusely.

DJI - YOU are at primarily fault here, not me. I didn't do anything wrong (to this moment I cannot find this NFZ on any map or app I have, starting with the official B4UFLY app and FAA websites but that's not the point of this message). It doesn't matter if I DID violate a NFZ and if I was technically therefore wrong and breaking a rule. I'll suffer that punishment if charged, that's my problem and my issues, not yours. YOU need to build good hardware and software that lets your craft fly properly and as much safety built in - BUT you cannot take control away from us when we need it, arguably, the most! TRY to imagine the scenarios I described above and you being Boeing or Cessna.

Any real world aircraft pilots: What if your aircraft just took over control and you could do NOTHING as it crashed into the ground? Think that flight system would be around long? Would the FAA even allow it to fly?

I think that DJI is WRONG, and I think they are even going to find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit soon enough, in having software that takes over control in a manner that cannot be overridden. Yes, put in your automatic features if you'd like but in ALL, repeat *ALL* cases, you MUST allow pilot overrides. We are the captain of our ships, what WE say goes when we're flying, NOT you. We are real pilots now with real law and penalties and therefore WE must ultimately be in FULL charge of our craft.

Summary and to repeat for full impact: DJI, The Pilot is Always in charge of his craft, completely and utterly. We MUST be able to override ANY automatic function. Period. I believe my desire is something you'll find legally necessary to protect yourselves and to protect our equipment and the public we fly over/around.

Sincerely,
db

oh BRAVO!!! I'm with you on that!!
 
Dear DJI,

I have a couple of Phantom P4s and I love them; fly them daily as a hobbyist and am working towards becoming a FAA licensed UAS pilot. You have a great product, hardware and software. Kudos!

An incident today and the hours since has given me time to reflect and come to a conclusion that I wanted to openly discuss before it becomes an issue you address in court as I feel some day you will.

UAS (drones) are being treated as serious devices by the FAA now. These are not toys anymore, we have legal obligations and can suffer real and serious fines and penalties for violating them. Not just No Fly Zones, but obligations regarding maximum altitude, VLOS requirements, day time flying rules, etc. The most important take away from this paragraph is that we are now in the realm of regulated legal equipment and their pilots. When your hardware/software, that we MUST use in order to fly the device we purchased from you, FORCES us to break a law or travel in an unsafe way then we are FORCED to address this with you. Hopefully we can fix this in an open discussion before it becomes one where an attorney says, My client isn't at fault, his equipment MADE him do this, he had NO choice/control whatsoever.

ANYONE today can jump into ANY helicopter and airplane and take off ANYWHERE at ANYTIME and can fly ANYWHERE at ANY altitude ANY speed. Now, ALL of these things are regulated, there are laws that tell us what we cannot do, but we can physically do them (right or wrong is a legal issue). So, there are LAWS that prevent us from doing some of these things or combinations of things. In a regular airplane or helicopter, we must obey No Fly Zones and other Flight Restrictions, but it's up to the pilot to actually obey them. UAS pilots are learning about these things now with the classes and tests for UAS licenses. And we are expected to obey them, just as any other pilot. However; let's be clear; TONIGHT I can go jump in my buddys airplane, not bother calling the tower, taxi and just take off right into other air traffic and point my nose at the White House and go flying over it. What's going to happen is I'll be noticed and someone will try to contact me. Likely I'll be intercepted. Certainly I'll be "talked to", perhaps prosecuted, perhaps go to jail and pay big fines. Etc Etc Etc. You know who does all that? The FAA and other police agencies. You know who does NOT do that? DJI or Cessna or Boeing or any other hardware or software maker.

On sophisticated aircraft there are warning devices and computers, they tell you if you are going to stall, if your fuel is low, if your flying too fast or slow or too high or low, if your gear is stuck down or up, if there are issues with other electronics aboard. You can be told that your gas tank has less than 1/8th gallon left as you take off for a transoceanic flight. Your GPS and compass can say it's not working as you barrel down the runway and you pull up into the wild blue yonder.

WHILE you are flying - you computer systems can tell you; "Hey, we are nearly out of fuel." and"HEY, We are REALLY low on fuel!" They can say, "GPS says we are in a no fly zone. or "HEY We Just Crossed Into An The Pentagons restricted air space!"
Here is what NO aircraft or helicopter will do: It will NOT TAKE CONTROL away and FORCE the vehicle to do something that you can do nothing but watch in horror as it occurs.

Imagine we got a 747 super low on fuel coming in to land at Chicago and Oh Oh, it's at 1% fuel remaining - so the auto pilot kicks in an Automatically Starts Landing in the middle of a school yard or into a football stadium or into the lake or into a fuel refinery or nuke plant. Or you are flying your helicopter and suddenly the GPS and Computer aboard announce, "You have just entered a no fly zone" - AND IMMEDIATELY just stop, hover, then begin to land on top of a large playground filled with children, or it immediately starts to land in the middle of a lake. And You Can DO NOTHING about it but sit there and die, possibly to you and your passengers own screaming deaths! And if you should survive then the FAA comes to kick your *** you'll be saying, "I didn't do it, the plane/helicopter just did it all by itself!"

Some might be saying, "You did something wrong." Perhaps; but you are not the judge or jury. And, what about emergencies? In an emergency you can land in NFZs, in an emergency you can go to whatever altitude you need. What if this is a genuine emergency - Oh No, I struck a bird and one engine is out I'm declaring an emergency landing at the nearest airport, Oh No that is a NFZ and I can't authorize GEO because no cell service DOWN DOWN DOWN you go and right into the path of another plane or crash landing on a freeway or top of some building or into a crowd of people.

My Point - Yes, We WANT and LOVE your automatic features. When I lose connection and you auto return me home - dude, awesome! But when it's partially back and I regain control, you let me resume flight. Cool
However, When the battery hits critical low you force me to land (except the small "trick" of keeping altitude by forcing the left stick up ... what if I NEED to go up and over a small obstacle before I make a 100% safe landing? Just like a plane pilot who's "Flying on Fumes, the gauge says empty but she's still flying so go baby go please! In DJI land, "Sorry, our sensor reads X%, down you go" and despite the fact that the craft is still flying , you force us down potentially damaging or destroying our craft and maybe hurting others or breaking the law. This is wrong.

Tonight - I took off in a familiar area and flew a familiar path. The familiar warning to call the helipad near me came up and I self-authorized because I had already called them, we know each other by now ;) Flying and doing just fine, all is well ---- then suddenly, "You Have Entered a No-fly Zone. Landing Now..."
Let's forget the "What NFZ?!" No time for that. I am a pilot and I am in charge of my craft. I have a fully flight capable craft and I am in contact with it, visually and electronically and it's working just fine. I've hit an invisible wall - right or wrong -- and being told I must not legally go further. Ok Ok I hear you and I have EVERY intention of NOT breaking the law and I'm perfectly happy to stop, and leave, hell, I'll even be happy to do a Return to Home. What I am NOT OK with is: And she just hovers then starts to drop. Gimbal downwards, AWESOME I'm coming down into a tree edged active roadway.

Here I watch helplessly as I go from legal to legally warned to screw-you-pilot, you going down and breakin' laws! Miraculously I do not hit a branch and she lands perfectly in the middle of the left lane. And I gimbal upwards to watch a car come right for her. Braking hard it doesn't hit. I'm already heading to my car with my partner and he drives as I'm watching on the screen someone stopping traffic, grabbing the drone and jumping in their car with it (lost signal). There are cars all around, whipping past him. He was endangered, they were endangered, my vehicle was endangered.
I get to the place and pull up just to survey the area. There is a car pulled over on the shoulder idling. I get out of my car and a dad and his son get out. And there's my drone. There are good people. They returned it to me. The father reporting he "practically had a heart attack" because it "practically landed on my roof" and then I was nearly rear-ended. I gave them all the cash I had as a reward and thanked them profusely.

DJI - YOU are at primarily fault here, not me. I didn't do anything wrong (to this moment I cannot find this NFZ on any map or app I have, starting with the official B4UFLY app and FAA websites but that's not the point of this message). It doesn't matter if I DID violate a NFZ and if I was technically therefore wrong and breaking a rule. I'll suffer that punishment if charged, that's my problem and my issues, not yours. YOU need to build good hardware and software that lets your craft fly properly and as much safety built in - BUT you cannot take control away from us when we need it, arguably, the most! TRY to imagine the scenarios I described above and you being Boeing or Cessna.

Any real world aircraft pilots: What if your aircraft just took over control and you could do NOTHING as it crashed into the ground? Think that flight system would be around long? Would the FAA even allow it to fly?

I think that DJI is WRONG, and I think they are even going to find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit soon enough, in having software that takes over control in a manner that cannot be overridden. Yes, put in your automatic features if you'd like but in ALL, repeat *ALL* cases, you MUST allow pilot overrides. We are the captain of our ships, what WE say goes when we're flying, NOT you. We are real pilots now with real law and penalties and therefore WE must ultimately be in FULL charge of our craft.

Summary and to repeat for full impact: DJI, The Pilot is Always in charge of his craft, completely and utterly. We MUST be able to override ANY automatic function. Period. I believe my desire is something you'll find legally necessary to protect yourselves and to protect our equipment and the public we fly over/around.

Sincerely,
db

In other words, you didn't know where you were flying, and you want to blame the manufacturer because your machine did exactly what the documentation said it would do when you flew it somewhere it was not allowed to be.
If you are really in charge of your aircraft, you wouldn't have gone into the NFZ to begin with.
 
Something went wrong. We don't know what it was. No, your Phantom shouldn't have auto landed. You should have been able to fly it back to the home point.
I've been in multiple situations where something happens that shouldn't. A motor or ESC malfunction, loss of GPS signal, one time critically low battery. I've seen a friend's phantom flip over mid air and crash into the street. I've seen multiple crashes and malfunctions. Some were the pilots fault. Most were not.
I still love my Phantoms. I still fly them and use them for working. In my mind, they're not toys and I will do everything reasonable to protect them.
The thing I try to keep in mind is something will go wrong eventually. They are far from perfect and they have a finite life span. If they pay for themselves, I am happy. I've been through losing one to a crash that wasn't my fault and I accept the liability that comes with flying a 3 pound rc aircraft. It's why I have insurance. It's why I try not to fly over people and why I practice every day with quads. It's also why I have a backup phantom.
I'm not saying that you don't think similarly. It sounds like you're basically right. I think that your expectations may be a little unrealistic though. I'm not you and I don't really know how I'd react in that situation. I wouldn't be too surprised that something went wrong.
 
Good thing they are not making automobiles. How about coming to a complete stop on the freeway when it detects you are breaking a law. Would that be acceptable? Of course not.
 
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Sorry it was so long and strong - but I feel strongly about this issue.

Actually, these are no longer toys at all. We are FAA pilots and bound by real world laws and rules, rules that have penalties of real impact; money and jail potentially. We cannot treat this lightly, it must be treated just as seriously as if we were guys building/flying 747s

I fly MR over 5 years now, I don't call myself as pilot. I always called myself hobbyist.

If fly this as hobby, all you needed are common safety rules.

RC hobbyists have done flying for age. Why need another set of rules?
 
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I fly MR over 5 years now, I don't call myself as pilot. I always called myself hobbyist.

If fly this as hobby, all you needed are common safety rules.

RC hobbyists have done flying for age. Why need another set of rules?
But keep in mind we've been flying for ages under very controlled circumstances. These include:

Aircraft were not self stabilized as they are now
Aircraft did not have Auto Flight Controllers
We flew at a designated flying site where most of us followed specific rules
We learned to fly the aircraft manually
If we lost control of the aircraft it met Terra Firma usually at great speed

Today's aircraft are VERY self stabilized and will auto hover with absolutely zero operator input
Today's aircraft have Auto Flight Controllers to take over if something goes wrong
We can fly from literally any place we desire even in the middle of down town USA or beside an airport
We don't know how to fly... we know how to charge, turn on, and occasionally point the aircraft in a direction we desire but the Flight Controller is "flying" the aircraft.
If we lose control the aircraft goes into a "Emergency" mode which might be Auto Land, Auto Hover, or Return to Home with absolutely ZERO human intervention

Because of these amazing advances the hobby is now available to so many who could not or would not take the time and efforts to build and then learn to fly. Today you can literally "Buy-n-fly" in a matter of an hour. Unfortunately when you buy your aircraft is does NOT come with an injection of "Common Sense" and that is a big part of the problem. Flying today's highly sophisticated and automated sUAS is really not much of a comparison to R/C aircraft we were flying just a couple of years ago. Apples to oranges.

This is why we have and yes NEED all these rules. YMMV
 
And just as soon as I find a decent multi without this restriction, I'm selling out ALL of my DJI stuff which includes a P3P, a P4 and an Inspire. I'm praying GoPro Karma is it. It's looking like it just might be.

Commies in my drones are going to be commies in somebody else's drones and real soon I hope. It's the singular thing I detest about my DJI products and I hate it enough to sell everything I've got (and will).

"ditto"
 
Just a thought, as the reported behaviour differs from the expected.. what happens when a new NFZ is created? There must be a point when it appears - what happens if you happen to be in it when a NFZ suddenly materialises around you? Is the reported behaviour then expected?
 
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In other words, you didn't know where you were flying, and you want to blame the manufacturer because your machine did exactly what the documentation said it would do when you flew it somewhere it was not allowed to be.
If you are really in charge of your aircraft, you wouldn't have gone into the NFZ to begin with.

In specific words, you did not comprehend what happened. The drone incorrectly assumed I had entered a non-existent NFZ and then initialed an uninterruptible auto landing.

Even if you ignore r erroneous NFZ boundary, my rant is about being having control of my craft so that I could Safely exit the disputed area and safely return home. Auto landing forced a potentially dangerous situation upon me and others. That's unacceptable.


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Drestin makes a good point about control being taken over by the machine regardless of what the pilot wants to do. As a former USAF pilot, and rated in anything from gliders to multi-engine with commercial instrument privileges, I've read a lot of accident reports where the aircraft DID override pilot inputs and eventually crashes. Don't agree with it, but that is the way things are pretty much built these days as human error causes more crashes than mechanical error. I do agree though - If I need 110% of thrust from my C130, I do not care if my torque will go to 25,000 in-lbs (limit 19,600), I need power, and !@#$%, I need it NOW! Rather have the engines go through an overtorque inspection than me visit the worms six feet under for eternity.

It's an interesting world right now. As an FAA licensed pilot under Parts 61 and 107, former Google drone test pilot, and with many hundreds of hours of instructor pilot time, all I can say is "Be careful out there". These are NOT toys, THEY ARE AIRCRAFT. Know your aircraft inside and out. I give thanks to ALL on these bulletin boards who contribute. "A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others." So keep reading, take good notes, learn from others, and don't do anything intentionally stupid.
 
As you describe the situation of having no control over your bird it reminds me of what happened to me a few weeks ago. My P3A was 25 feet away from me. The battery was getting low. RTH kicked in as I watch in horror as it shot up in to a tree. I tried everything I could think of, but nothing worked. It came crashing down on the street. $500 in damages. I dont feel it was a pilot error, but a software error from DJI. We will see? They are reviewing my flight log.
 
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