Help me! At Apple store running through their inventory. This is unreal.

[Derek Mackinnon]

I had the issue with the iPad not connecting. It could see the phantom buy wouldn't go into camera mode. The fix for this was unbelievable.

I reset the iPad mini4 several times making it a new iPad every time and noting seemed to work.

Deleted the app, then tried my iPhone 6 and that worked fine.

Back to the iPad and reset again. This time I did it through my MacBook and iTunes. I reset the iPad to a new device through the Mac and when it all booted up and downloaded the app the phantom connected and camera view worked instantly.

A strange fix but it worked for me and someone else.


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[Jussaguy]

I wasn't trying to be negative, so sorry if it seemed that way. I simply got the impression, from you and others before, that a lack of stickers indicated a problem and a unit that should be rejected on those grounds. My point was just that the presence/absence of stickers appears to be somewhat random, and probably should not be a part of any decision-making process.

First, no need to apologize. I can see where you would think that was the issue.

They are not a part of the decision making part. However, they are conspicuously tied down to the ones that aren't working. It's not just one without the decals so again, it's either just how they are packaging them now or they are refurbs and this is how they are packaging a rather large run of refurbs. I have zero actual knowledge about any of that and it's all conjecture and guessing.

 

[Jussaguy]

Ordered mine direct after launch and had no stickers on the CA cams.

I saw all the guys that hit the early Apple ones had them though. Weird.


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I was one that got a perfectly fine one on the roll out. This is the second one that is giving me fits.

Did yours have a piece of styraphom on the left side where the batteries were and what SD card came with yours?

 

[Sim597]

According to the people I'm speaking to at Apple, they are not getting a lot of returns and they are flying off the shelves. But for instance the one that had the loudest gimbal screech I ever heard today might be bought, flown by a novice for a couple months and BAM, RMA, or worse.

Either way, I don't buy new broken products. The first one again, totally fine. Every single one after that has been a disaster. Hopefully the one I currently have is good and I can figure out what the Mini issue is.

Yeah, OR, OR, he may read a simple post on hear about the bad run of loose screws, tighten them up, and never have a problem. OR, not even tighten them and never have a problem. I feel for you but, I bought mine on day one at Best Buy, mine doesn't have the YouTube verified on the side, I just looked. And a sticker with a pull tab, not supposed to come off? I just can't believe that, for static? That doesn't even make sense.
There's no way if I had all of these issues, I'd buy one, I certainly take the IPad Pro, 100% positive I'd let them do that for me, that's on apple, who's made enough off me, and probably you too, it's $200 less they won't keep offshore to not pay their share of taxes. I'm not an apple fan, I am an apple owner, IPads, I bought the first IPhone the week it came out, it was 2008, hell I even have a MacPro, the expensive one, so I get it. I have Windows on the back of it, bought it for one program, for spacial sound timing for my car stereo to plug into. (Plugs into a module and then has a microphone and....bla bla) which I haven't opened in 2 years maybe. What I am saying is I get why ppl use apple, they just work, and so that's what you want from your P4. But c'mon, this many P4s and you can't find two that work right? Your on like 7, or 8 when you get to the new place? Why or what, look, take the IPad Pro, in one week you can get that, and a new Typhoon H, two really cool toys to play with. You'll still be here cause of your existing P4, and can compare it and let me know, I'll have like, 16 days after release to decide, that's an elite plus guy talking tho.
In all seriousness bro, I've replied and BS'd with you on here quite a bit, I'm not messing with you, the typhoon has got to be looking good with all these problems, it looks good to me, and I love my P4, I get 1/2m punching through a forest, and I mean a real thick wooded area, 85' pine trees and various foliage, (with a Itlite though) so I'm not all beat up about range like some guys (others are getting great range stock) so, what I'm getting at, is I don't think, I could be wrong, that the Typhoon would be much worse then that, they claim 1 mile range don't they? Or even 1.5?
You might consider it. If I did it, I'd have the difference between the two for a battery, and a modded out P3 that's prolly worth $250 maybe? At least, to buy the module for real sense when it comes out, 360' camera, slave remote capacity, raised gear, dunno, one week we will though


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[msinger]

360' camera, slave remote capacity, raised gear

I'm sure DJI has a sense of what most people want -- and, it probably does not include any of these features. Only time will tell if you really need them either though.

FYI, you can fly the P4 with a slave if you use two Inspire 1 remote controllers.

 

[Sim597]

I'm sure DJI has a sense of what most people want -- and, it probably does not include any of these features. Only time will tell if you really need them either though.

FYI, you can fly the P4 with a slave if you use two Inspire 1 remote controllers.

Really? Because everyone of those I would LOvE to have, so would others, according to them. And slave isn't needed on the P4 as you cannot yaw with it. And your right, they know, they make what I just said for $2000 more then the typhoon H?
Your point....not understood Msinger...
Some have said the OA isn't needed or wanted by them, I personally like knowing on a RTH there's a possibility it will avoid a crash. You couldn't do activ trac without OA, or CA whatever term you like. You could, but it wouldn't be any good. To me, tap to fly is just a ridiculous option, but I'm sure there's a guy here that uses it, and maybe a guy here even likes it? (Same guy? Lol doubt it)
So, cmon, don't hate me because I'm not a fan loyalists. Or even the post, I'm loyal to the point, if it deserves a good review, then give it, I never believed in only giving bad reviews. I will not, and I get pissy when I read what I feel is a review, written to make themselves feel better about their purchase. I've seen this on Amazon, and called people out on it. I perceive this quite a bit, you can't really KNOW, u know? But I can surmise on my own this happens. I am loyal to the latest technology and designs, I am an early adopter too, always been the goto guy in our family for tech geek questions. The only bad thing is I can't own both. I also have a few bucks wrapped up in extras for the P4. So I'll be watching closely, if it's a knockout, amazing and ppl are over the moon, hmmm, that will be a tough one, but BB no hassle no question replacement return, means I'm not taking advantage of them, in fact, it's prolly good for the overall business model. So it may happen, I'm glad I'll have the choice, as long as my bird is replaceable and not damaged in any way that is.


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[msinger]

Your point....not understood Msinger

Sorry. I shall clarify then

I own an Inspire 1. I'm assuming you do not since you're having trouble relating. I've used the retractable landing gear and 360 camera features. The 360 camera is merely a party trick when flying alone (it's great for impressing your friends!). And, the retractable landing gear is a must in order to pull off said party trick. Both sound fantastic on paper. When you try them in person, it's a very underwhelming experience.

 

[Jussaguy]

Yeah, OR, OR, he may read a simple post on hear about the bad run of loose screws, tighten them up, and never have a problem. OR, not even tighten them and never have a problem. I feel for you but, I bought mine on day one at Best Buy, mine doesn't have the YouTube verified on the side, I just looked. And a sticker with a pull tab, not supposed to come off? I just can't believe that, for static? That doesn't even make sense.
There's no way if I had all of these issues, I'd buy one, I certainly take the IPad Pro, 100% positive I'd let them do that for me, that's on apple, who's made enough off me, and probably you too, it's $200 less they won't keep offshore to not pay their share of taxes. I'm not an apple fan, I am an apple owner, IPads, I bought the first IPhone the week it came out, it was 2008, hell I even have a MacPro, the expensive one, so I get it. I have Windows on the back of it, bought it for one program, for spacial sound timing for my car stereo to plug into. (Plugs into a module and then has a microphone and....bla bla) which I haven't opened in 2 years maybe. What I am saying is I get why ppl use apple, they just work, and so that's what you want from your P4. But c'mon, this many P4s and you can't find two that work right? Your on like 7, or 8 when you get to the new place? Why or what, look, take the IPad Pro, in one week you can get that, and a new Typhoon H, two really cool toys to play with. You'll still be here cause of your existing P4, and can compare it and let me know, I'll have like, 16 days after release to decide, that's an elite plus guy talking tho.
In all seriousness bro, I've replied and BS'd with you on here quite a bit, I'm not messing with you, the typhoon has got to be looking good with all these problems, it looks good to me, and I love my P4, I get 1/2m punching through a forest, and I mean a real thick wooded area, 85' pine trees and various foliage, (with a Itlite though) so I'm not all beat up about range like some guys (others are getting great range stock) so, what I'm getting at, is I don't think, I could be wrong, that the Typhoon would be much worse then that, they claim 1 mile range don't they? Or even 1.5?
You might consider it. If I did it, I'd have the difference between the two for a battery, and a modded out P3 that's prolly worth $250 maybe? At least, to buy the module for real sense when it comes out, 360' camera, slave remote capacity, raised gear, dunno, one week we will though


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I'm not on 7 or 8 or anywhere near that.

The ones I didn't take out of the store, one had a massive gimbal screech that nobody would take. Second one had a card reader that wouldn't release the card.

Currently I took the one that had a tilted horizon but at the Apple Store (well actually just outside the Apple Store) I ran all the calibs and IMU and like 3 gimbal calibs until the horizon looked decent and I have it sitting in a box.

I know for sure it isn't connecting to my iPad but I'll worry about that another time and for the moment, I know it WILL connect it to my iPhone 6+ but I am so tired of dealing with this SECOND Phantom 4 (dont forget I have another one that works great) and so I am taking a break from even looking at it for like 3-4 days. Probably tomorrow, I'll see how/if it flies.

I am not looking for perfect but for $1400, plus all the other associated money, not to mention now time, I will **** well, and rightfully so, only want a working product. If they can't produce that for me, than I will just keep using what I have (and I have plenty) and return this P4. I am far from looking for perfect at this point.

 

[flpholt]

just buy something else always good to have a different bird than a phantom

 

[Jussaguy]

just buy something else always good to have a different bird than a phantom

I have many different birds that are not Phantoms. Phantom just happens to be my favorite to fly for fun or used to be. Right now, I can't even see flying for fun but I'm sure I'll get over that.

I will be buying the DJI Matrice 600 as well. I already own the Ronin.

I also build Octos that I spend more than 3 times as much on than the P4. (I should more accurately say, I get a lot of help building them).

 

[Jussaguy]

Sorry. I shall clarify then

I own an Inspire 1. I'm assuming you do not since you're having trouble relating. I've used the retractable landing gear and 360 camera features. The 360 camera is merely a party trick when flying alone (it's great for impressing your friends!). And, the retractable landing gear is a must in order to pull off said party trick. Both sound fantastic on paper. When you try them in person, it's a very underwhelming experience.

I agree.

I actually prefer the non-spinning 360 cams, 2nd pilot or not.

If you were on the ground and you wanted to rotate a camera, you wouldn't do it on it's dead center pivot of the camera, you would do it on a dolly that spins around (like the whole bird does on a Phantom or any other UAS that will rotate for pans vs, spin the camera).

You see this sits on a platter that rotates by the AC for pans. I looked for a better pic but just imagine a circular rotation with wheels. What is that more like? The Phantom or the Inspire? Same for zooms. We don't play with depth of field in the sky so why do people want Zooms?? Unless it's a telephoto zoom, it's pointless. A zoom would heavily increase the cost of something like a Phantom and if you want to zoom, you push. Like the one below it.

This is how you zoom. If you want to actually SHOW a zoom, you are making 1978 porn, not film. And the only other purpose for zooming (again aside from telephoto lens that can go up VERY FAR), there is no purpose. You use a zoom on the ground to change the focal length (the distance of the principle to the camera) but since we are ALMOST always dealing with infinity focus and infinity depth of field in aerial photography, no need for it. But people are still clamoring for what would be, as you put it, another costly gimmick and they will give it to us. I mean some of the professional cams, for example the DJI S1000 or the Yuneec Tornado use cameras that have zooms but thats because they have zooms on the ground. (I.e. the CGO4 is the prosumer cam that comes with The Tornado and it has zoom because its the Panasonic GH4 down to every nut and bolt.

 

[frands1]

So, you have a completely functional Phantom 4 and you are getting a 2nd one?
With all that frustration, why you keep trying to get a second one, if I may ask.

Just curious.

In anny case... Good luck my friend.

 

[BriRi]

So, you have a completely functional Phantom 4 and you are getting a 2nd one?
With all that frustration, why you keep trying to get a second one, if I may ask.

Just curious.

In anny case... Good luck my friend.

And he took the one that has.......( wait for it).....


Tilted horizon ( gimbal issues )!!!


At least it doesn't squeak !!!!

Jussaguy, I'm just kidding with you. I'm hoping for the best. You deserve an awesome P4 after all you've been through trying to add a second one to your stable.

[emoji106]


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[Stealthmatt]

And he took the one that has.......( wait for it).....


Tilted horizon ( gimbal issues )!!!


At least it doesn't squeak !!!!

Jussaguy, I'm just kidding with you. I'm hoping for the best. You deserve an awesome P4 after all you've been through trying to add a second one to your stable.

[emoji106]


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My first one was the best like his, but has the titled horizon - yes it gets better with cold IMU calibration, but after awhile flying it doesn't maintain level properly.

I am lucky my second one, only hear the gimbal cable rubbing - which I don't think is much of an issue. Dead straight horizon!

 

[Sim597]

Sorry. I shall clarify then

I own an Inspire 1. I'm assuming you do not since you're having trouble relating. I've used the retractable landing gear and 360 camera features. The 360 camera is merely a party trick when flying alone (it's great for impressing your friends!). And, the retractable landing gear is a must in order to pull off said party trick. Both sound fantastic on paper. When you try them in person, it's a very underwhelming experience.

Hmmm, yes your right I don't have an inspire (yet, maybe never) but still, I'd even thought about putting them on the P3, I just think a drone with gear down looks like a fighter jet wheels down, just doesn't LOOK right.
They show how the typhoon can be flown once by you, mark the waypoints, then re-fly the mission, but now the controller controls the gimbal, this could be really decent at pulling of shots.
Now I'll give you your experience, and what you say would probably make me feel the same, as mostly I like to just fly, and look. I've flown my "island" here, which is a nice upscale golf course/lake resort area, and I just like to look at the houses and boats and lake, the scene basically, and your right we don't NEED 360 gimbal for that. (Especially though if we have OA in front only) But, if it's included, if the P4 had a mechanism like the Walkera....don't remember the name, I'd take it, even if the P4 was $50 more let's say, even $100 maybe, just because flying machines fly better when smooth, and aerodynamic, but lol mostly because they look so F'n cool man!


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[Sim597]

I had never thought about a zoom cam. But again, I've said this before, I don't spy on people, I find ppl living life to be very pedestrian, boring, I find no entertainment, however, I do love animal photography, have a nice Nikon with all the glass, that's what makes the setup, the glass and the photographer, not the camera. Nice glass let's you do things you cannot with lesser lenses. With a telephoto you could get in close and not scare the animals or risk the bird. You'd have to be close to get decent shots of birds and such, and these are just too loud.
Now another feature I want....
Lol jk. I think that would cost a lot more vs two digital servos, or even one with linkage to raise gear


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[Jussaguy]

So, you have a completely functional Phantom 4 and you are getting a 2nd one?
With all that frustration, why you keep trying to get a second one, if I may ask.

Just curious.

In anny case... Good luck my friend.

Mainly for things like concert events and festivals. For example, we have set up before 2 100 watt lasers with splitters on 2 s1000's and we might have 5 other UASs running around other stages, other parts of the same stage and I like consitency so instead of using a P4 and a P3P, I'd rather have two P4s. I have a fairly large fleet of UASs in my arsenal. The Phantoms since the 3 have always been my favorite for casual, non-broadcast recording. I need multiples. I need more than 2.

And thank you for the well wishes boys. Much appreciation!

 

[N017RW]

What Class are those 100W Lasers?

 

[mcphipps]

I have a p3p and am not a fan of android and live in a very large Apple Eco system. I don't mind Android but I have no need for it. I don't think this is an apple issue and I wanted the pro anyway, I like the pressure sensitivity (2056 levels of pressure) and the a9x and m9x blows away (power wise) anything on the tab market I think.

I love Apple products. All of my mobile stuff is Apple. My desktop is the only non-Apple device I got. But to what flpholt said, I agree with him for the DJI Phantom, the android software has much less issues all around. Most of the third party software have better Android versions. The Phantom. That's the only thing I use the Android System for.

And...Jussaguy, I owe you an apology from another thread. I hope you will accept.

 

[Jussaguy]

FINALLY WORKING!

I think I have not only the solution but the mix of what led to the problem for myself and others.

Will post when I am home. Still having range issues but it's connecting now for the moment.

Still not getting the range I am on my other P4 but when I get a chance, I'll put them head to head in a more open space. Also the gimbal does make a little bit of a sound that is weird when I tilt the bird up and down. Has anyone has this happen and does it lead do badness? This is on the second one.

EDIT: Something else is weird. 5336 mah is the MAX capacity on the NEW battery which is LESS than the any of my older and used batteries. That's below the actual amount listed on the battery.

All of my other bats have more, what gives on that? Am I looking too far or is that weird?