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[Jussaguy]

JFC dude, what is wrong with you. I've never seen somebody be so unbelievably confident in being so wrong in my entire life. You. Need. A. Pilot's. License.

JFC dude, there are several pilot's license. I said if so sure, what kind of pilot's license and this is your answer.

I am not positive or a **** thing, and anyone that says there are is lying.

Read this blog by one of our own members that definitely knows A LOT more than you do.

Contrary to your ironic post, it is you that thinks they know what their talking about when it's obvious they don't.

There are six main kinds of pilots licenses and then on some of the higher ones, their are further things like types of ratings (instrument for example). You need a pilots license is a generic phrase, uttered by someone with a generic understanding.

Have a read by someone that instilled a little more confidence in their conviction, terminoog and knowledge than you, and yes, I. I just don't claim to be the master you do.

I am DroneMann

 

[Jussaguy]

A ground school class does not make a pilots license and does not fulfill the requirement. You DO need a "full fledged" pilots license AND a 333 to fly a UAS commercially.

That very may well be, but at one point you needed the Airman's Certificate and if I'm wrong, I never stated it as fact. I'm only trying to traverse to info I have which isn't much.

Also, and again WTF IS A FULL FLEDGED PILOTS LICENSE?

Do I need a rec license, an airliner license, a sport license, a transport license, private???? Private is the third level behind rec and sport so since you guys are so **** sure of everything, why don't you act like you know what you're talking about when you say it???

Again, read this. This guy who definitely knows more than either of us seems to think you need an Airman's Certificate and that's what we (my partner) had to do but I'm at least admitting that that may have changed.

You're the ones that are so sure of everything but yet aren't saying anything that makes sense.

Read
I am DroneMann

 

[Jussaguy]

A ground school class does not make a pilots license and does not fulfill the requirement. You DO need a "full fledged" pilots license AND a 333 to fly a UAS commercially.

I've never said you don't. I said we didn't take one and I was trying to figure out if we are operating legally within the confines of a 333.

There most certainly is a class that teaches you how to read the sectionals and stuff like that.

Here are the six types of licensed. Is this wrong?

6 Different Types Of Pilot Certifications | Phoenix East Aviation

 

[ianwood]

I've never said you don't. I said we didn't take one and I was trying to figure out if we are operating legally within the confines of a 333.

It's really simple: operating without an FAA certificated pilot, you are in violation of the 333 and it can be rescinded. What certificates are valid for use on the 333 is clearly identified. There's no ambiguity. There's no interpretation.

 

[Jussaguy]

Here is an "Airmans Certificate Application for for a mechanic.
Form FAA 8610-1 - Mechanic's Application for Inspection Authorization

Am I to believe that a flight mechanic is supposed to learn how to land a Cessna?

Maybe so but I'd be surprised but that is the name of an application for a specific type of certificate. There are many many others, yet only 6 pilot licenses (which either are or require certificates, I'm unsure of the proper terminology).

All Airman Certificates:

Airmen Certification Forms

• AC 8060-55 – Change of Address, Airmen Certificate Holder
• AC 8060-56– Application for Replacement of Lost, Destroyed, or Paper Airman Certificate(s)
• FAA 8400-3 (PDF) – Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application for Flight Engineers, Flight Navigators, Aircraft Dispatchers, and Control Tower Operators
• FAA 8610-1 – Mechanic’s Application for Inspection Authorization
• FAA 8610-2 – Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application for Mechanics, Repairman, and Parachute Riggers
• FAA 8710-1 – Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application for Pilots, Flight Instructors and Ground Instructors
• FAA 8710-11 – (Sport Pilot Only) Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application for Sport Pilot
• AC 8060-67 – Request Change of Airmen Certificate Number
• AC 8060-68 – Request Copies of My Complete Airman File from the Airmen Certification Branch
• AC 8060-69 – Request for Copies of My Complete Certification File to be Released to a Third Party
• AC 8060-70 – Application for Replacement of Lost or Destroyed Knowledge Test Report(s)
• AC 8060-71 – Verification of Authenticity of Foreign License, Rating, and Medical Certification
• AC 8060-72 (PDF) – FOIA Request (FROM AIRLINES) for Copies to 3rd Party

 

[Jussaguy]

I will be straightforward...
FACT IS...YOUR WRONG! Sound like you need a new lawyer.. The one you have took your money and mislead you. You are not only required to have a pilot's license, but at least a 3rd class medical for Private Pilot or above, a drivers license for Sport. You also must have and maintain currency of you pilots license. You are misreading your 333 all over the place. No the PIC cannot just let anyone fly the UAS. There are listed required currency hours required to fly any specific UAS and they must be completed before any operations. You are operating illegally. Yes I said that. ALL Pilot certificates (license) are called airman certs. There is no pilots license you can obtain by written exam only. Think about how silly that sounds.

Finally an answer!

I never claimed to be right but this is the first answer that laid out anything with some detail. Type of license, etc.

I am aware all pilot licenses are certificates but so is an engineers or flight tower operators.

I defer to your knowledge but this is the first time you answered with some info other than general. My lawyer is our general council and not a specialist in this area.

You obviously know your stuff and I appreciate the answer with detail.

 

[Jussaguy]

It's really simple: operating without an FAA certificated pilot, you are in violation of the 333 and it can be rescinded. What certificates are valid for use on the 333 is clearly identified. There's no ambiguity. There's no interpretation.

There is always ambiguity and room for interpretation my friend. Yoive never read a contract or rule wirhout some. That's not really the issue here though.

 

[ianwood]

There is always ambiguity and room for interpretation my friend. Yoive never read a contract or rule wirhout some. That's not really the issue here though.

This isn't a contract. It's Federal law. There's no ambiguity. Don't like it? Sue the FAA.

 

[Ghost Rider]

JFC dude, what is wrong with you. I've never seen somebody be so unbelievably confident in being so wrong in my entire life. You. Need. A. Pilot's. License.

I didn't read through the whole post. Sumarize for me. Am I getting yelled at? And if so, for what? Is dude angry with me? Is there an argument about whether you need a pilot's license to make money?

 

[Jussaguy]

Per the FAA:

SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS
Currently the FAA requires the Pilot In Command (PIC) of the UAV to have at least a Recreational or Sport Pilot Certificate. Additionally, Section 333 operators are required to have a valid driver’s license. The Pilot In Command (PIC) does not necessarily have to be named in your initial filing however, technically, the PIC for your UAV operations should satisfy these two requirements, whether they are yourself, an employee, or a contracted pilot from outside your business. To learn more about our Section 333 Application Services click on the picture or follow the link below.

 

[Jussaguy]

This isn't a contract. It's Federal law. There's no ambiguity. Don't like it? Sue the FAA.

I a) didn't say I didn't like it 2) didn't say I was sueing anyone and. 3) I believe I said contacts and laws.

You don't think laws are interpretable??? Laws are DESIGNED to be interpreted. In fact it is contracts that are supposed to be rigid and non-interpretive but laws are made to be interpreted, even that little set of laws called the The Constitution.

All day, every day, lawyers and defendants are interpreting laws which is why we have so many levels of courts to decide if the lower courts interpretation of whatever law is correct, legal, or determined with proper diligence.

But I digress.

Not sure why people are ganging up on me here. I am not stating anything other than what I think and was on a fact finding mission here. I wasn't telling anyone anything as fact. Don't think I claimed to be.

 

[Jussaguy]

So much misinformation here I don't know where to start:

1. Your AMA, home owner's or other general insurance does NOT cover commercial use. The only insurance that works for commercial use is aircraft insurance.
2. Aircraft insurers may sell it to you without a 333 but it's doubtful any claims would be honored for commercial use without the 333.
3. Under current FARs, you must possess a pilot's license in some form to operate an sUAS commercially. It's written in every 333 exemption granted to date. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed. Part 107 will change this when implemented.

You may be right, but to be fair, if you have auto insurance, and you get an a car accident and your license is suspended, revoked or even if you don't have one, if you are listed as insured, you are covered for liability and comprehensive if it's your car.

If you think of a proper exemption as a drivers license (and I'm not saying you can, just if and it stands to reason it's similar) you are still covered.

If you don't fix your license, eventually the insurer will call you and send you papers and make you exempt yourself from coverage in which case you need to re-apply for coverage once you fix your license but you are covered until you are exempt, license or not.

This happened to my cousin so this is anectodcotal information.

 

[Myetkt]

Per the FAA:

Back on the first part of this thread, John asked what type of license your partner Jess has. Maybe I missed it but can you please tell everyone what license he has. Seems that info would clear a lot of this up.

 

[Jussaguy]

Back on the first part of this thread, John asked what type of license your partner Jess has. Maybe I missed it but can you please tell everyone what license he has. Seems that info would clear a lot of this up.

Whatever it is, it's one of the ones I listed before and required only a written exam. For all I know he got a tower operators license which requires zero flight time and is an Airmans certificate. I will promise you this though, I'm going to find out.

Contrary to what the responses are here, I'm doing more learning than educating. Not thinking otherwise.

Also "currently" is an operative word both for the past and future.

 

[Eddyfisher]

I use State Farm for insurance. Both liability and a rider to replace it if I crash, fly away, etc.



Unedited video starts at $350 (I also include 12 photos in this package).

I will do BASIC video editing starting at $500.

Interesting, as State Farm informed me they wont touch drone insurance of any kind. Any State Farm reps here?

 

[ianwood]

"Under this grant of exemption, a PIC must hold either an airline transport, commercial, private, recreational, or sport pilot certificate."

At this time, there is no written exam that alone allows you to fly sUAS commercially. This will change AFTER Part 107 is implemented. End of story. Stop the misinformation.

 

[Jussaguy]

Interesting, as State Farm informed me they wont touch drone insurance of any kind. Any State Farm reps here?

I was told the same but every office can be different.

Anyhow, this is what I took away from all this "discussion" and said so sweetly from everyone.

You DO NOT NEED any form of a pilot's license to get your 333 but you NEED A SPORT OR possibly RECREATIONAL license to be the PIC.

I still Don't know if it is Sport or Rec? Those are two different types of licenses with different rules to achieve them.

Also, why would you need a pilot's license to earn money if flying within the "hobbyist" flight rules. As a pilot, you have the right/authority to ask the tower, for example to go to "1000 feet, 7 miles SW of BUR at 1pm tomorrow". I was actually told by someone, a civilian can ask for this permission. A civilian meaning an unlicensed pilot but why would you need a pilots license if flying within the recreational requirements? Seems at least logical to me that you wouldn't, whether you do or not, and I understand that you do. No more JFCs or WTFs please. Just asking.

Seems to me that if you have a 333, you should be able to make money whether with or without a pilot's license unless flying within pilot's space. For example, a sport pilot license requires you stay under 10k or something. A recreational user has to stay under 400.

Perhaps that's the reason for the 107 rules and changes coming is because of all the ambiguity. I will say that since every single source has a different interpretation of the current exemption, it takes someone with pretty strong conviction to see what it definitely is.

The DAP dude is the only one that appears to have the proper conviction, coupled with knowledge for me to defer to. Terminology is what gives people away.

 

[Jussaguy]

I am making no arguments but does anyone want to help me take a stab at this?

This is directly from the FAA website @John Locke

The FAA will jointly issue a "blanket" COA for flights at or below 400 feet to all UAS operators with a Section 333 exemption. View a copy of this "blanket" COA, including operating conditions and limitations (PDF).

Any operator with a valid Section 333 grant of exemption can operate using this COA, unless it conflicts with their grant of exemption.

Now this is not legalese, this is as plain English as English can get and all UAS operators with a 333 exemption under 400 feet to me is the same as saying "all UAS operators with a 333 exemption", not "all UAS operators with a 333 exemption and a sport pilot license" which would make logical sense.

Maybe when they say UAS operator, pilot license is implicit, however it is my experience that government bodies when laying out rules, don't usually imply things so what say the aviation brain trust about this rule?

 

[mikeve]

Thanks for that information. I am already in contact with Transport Canada and I'm beginning the SFOC process. I am also looking at attending ground school training to add experience and credibility. Does anyone know of an Insurance provider in Canada that covers UAVs for commercial purposes?

COPA - Cdn Owners and Pilots Assoc has commercial drone insurance.

 

[Jussaguy]

@John Locke

Furthermore, the name of the above form for using a 333 under 400 feet is called "Blanket COA for any Operator issued a valid Section 333 Grant of Exemption - FAA FORM 7711-1 UAS COA"

Now, let's get back to the big old difference between "and" and "or" and how it can completely change the meaning of something. I am quoting from the Blanket COA certificate Form 7711-1 UAS COA.

Safety of Flight.
1. The operator or pilot in command (PIC) is responsible for halting or canceling activity in the COA area if, at any time, the safety of persons or property on the ground or in the air is in jeopardy, or if there is a failure to comply with the terms or conditions of this authorization

.

Now, wouldn't the use of operator OR pilot mean that under 400 and this blanket COA, that the operator doesn't need be a pilot if under 400 and have filled out this form? If not, what is the purpose of this form? What am I reading wrong?

I AM NOT an expert by any stretch on this but I am asking people that are. Now there are a select couple on here that seem to be experts, in fact, I wish @Dacon Productions would chime in. He's a pilot and I'd like to here what he has to say on it but pilot or not, I can read and if I'm NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT IS, I am saying if it's not, they should be re-writing this stuff because it's not black and white and anyone saying it is, well I kindly disagree with.