New Regulations

[D Greg]

I certainly understand why we now have so many regulations from the FAA. There have been so many droners that have ignored the rules, it was inevitable this would happen. I tried to fly yesterday just to get it in the air, and since I was in controlled airspace, got the red scroll saying, "cannot fly". My P4 would not start. In the past I would just call the tower to let them know I would fly under 200 feet and away I go. Not now.
So thank you abusers for the strict laws we now have.

 

[msinger]

I certainly understand why we now have so many regulations from the FAA. There have been so many droners that have ignored the rules, it was inevitable this would happen. I tried to fly yesterday just to get it in the air, and since I was in controlled airspace, got the red scroll saying, "cannot fly". My P4 would not start.

This is really an unrelated issue. The fact that a DJI GEO zone is preventing you from flying really has nothing to do with the changes the FAA made. It just means you did not unlock the GEO zone in DJI GO or from DJI's website.

Since DJI is one of the companies that is allowed to provide LAANC services, I suspect they might eventually build in a DJI GO feature that allows FAA authorization to be gained through LAANC and a DJI GEO zone to be unlocked with the same action. Until that's done, you will need to continue to manually unlock GEO zones in DJI GO.

 

[Ansia]

Also, the fact that you were allowed to fly at 200' in that specific area, means that you are in an authorization zone and not a restricted zone. You should be able to get an unlock code from dJI within seconds and fly your bird.

 

[D Greg]

This is really an unrelated issue. The fact that a DJI GEO zone is preventing you from flying really has nothing to do with the changes the FAA made. It just means you did not unlock the GEO zone in DJI GO or from DJI's website.

Since DJI is one of the companies that is allowed to provide LAANC services, I suspect they might eventually build in a DJI GO feature that allows FAA authorization to be gained through LAANC and a DJI GEO zone to be unlocked with the same action. Until that's done, you will need to continue to manually unlock GEO zones in DJI GO.

I did try to unlock with authorization from dji and was denied because of where I was. I stand behind my statements.

 

[Ansia]

I did try to unlock with authorization from dji and was denied because of where I was. I stand behind my statements.

Then you were flying in a Restricted zone (red zone).

 

[msinger]

I did try to unlock with authorization from dji and was denied because of where I was. I stand behind my statements.

Your statements are confusing. Can you explain why your location made DJI deny your request?

 

[wcw1223]

He is attempting to fly in restricted air space (airport space ). He use to call the ATC and notify them he was going to be flying. He can no longer do that because of the new FAA laws. It’s not DJI fault it's the FAA changing things. Latter on he will be able to use LAANC. Hopefully it’s a temporary inconvenience. The below shows The CBO locations where you can fly in restricted air space and all of the airports including their altitude limits. I will bet, where he attempted to fly was a 200 ft restriction.

ArcGIS Web Application

faa.maps.arcgis.com

 

[msinger]

He is attempting to fly in restricted air space (airport space ). He use to call the ATC and notify them he was going to be flying. He can no longer do that because of the new FAA laws.

Calling the ATC never unlocked a DJI GEO zone in the past. Only DJI can unlock their GEO zones.

 

[wcw1223]

Calling the ATC never unlocked a DJI GEO zone in the past. Only DJI can unlock their GEO zones.

That's not what I was talking about I realize it's DJI GEO Zones stopping his bird from flying. DJI must have included these addiction zones when the law changed. Hobbies not being able to fly in restricted air space at all. Unless you are flying at a FAA approved COB. It must cause problems 107 pilots as well but maybe using LAANC fixes that I don't know.

 

[msinger]

It must cause problems 107 pilots as well but maybe using LAANC fixes that I don't know.

Well, using LAANC isn't going to fix this problem. That's what I was trying to explain above

 

[sar104]

That's not what I was talking about I realize it's DJI GEO Zones stopping his bird from flying. DJI must have included these addiction zones when the law changed. Hobbies not being able to fly in restricted air space at all. Unless you are flying at a FAA approved COB. It must cause problems 107 pilots as well but maybe using LAANC fixes that I don't know.

The DJI geofencing system is not based on controlled airspace. Restricted airspace is a different thing entirely - nothing to do with controlled airspace around airports, and is just an enhanced warning zone in DJI's implementation.

 

[wcw1223]

I am sure y'all are correct but my understanding is that hobbies are restricted from flying in airport airspace unless it is at a FFA approved COB facility and even then there are altitude restriction depending on where the facility is located within that space. Seeing how DJI GOE Zones keep you from flying in restricted zones could this be the problem? I don't mean to be argumentative I just asking to get to get it clean in my own mind.

 

[msinger]

my understanding is that hobbies are restricted from flying in airport airspace unless it is at a FFA approved COB facility and even then there are altitude restriction depending on where the facility is located within that space

You are correct.

Seeing how DJI GOE Zones keep you from flying in restricted zones could this be the problem?

It could be for some locations. It won't be for others though since DJI has not locked down all controlled airspace.

 

[wcw1223]

Thank you for your post. As always you help to clearly understand

 

[D Greg]

Good info from you guys....
In the past while in controlled airspace I would call the tower to let them know when/where I was to fly with altitude, and was told okay. When starting my P4, it would inform me I was in controlled airspace. I would check the box saying I would be responsible for the flight, and away I flew.
As of 16 May, rec flyers can no longer call ATC.
Yesterday I could not fly inside 5 miles from Airport. dji had to send a code to unlock my P4. Entered the code, and was denied the flight.
Tried same today...accepted the code and I flew...go figure!!!

 

[Adamborz]

I am a 107 pilot and I get the red no fly zones all the time. I just apply to unlock from DJI and go (after ATC authorization from LAANC of course). The first time was a real PIA as I had to get a code and enter into my RC. Now it’s just I apply to unlock and go. You have to make sure you have cell service or WiFi of course. I use a P4P+ with the included screen with WiFi only. I have to make my cell phone a hot spot and go from there. DJI has no idea if I got ATC authorization. I just self certify with them and off I go. It’s just a liability thing for DJI to make you self certify that you are aware you know where you are flying..,

 

[D Greg]

It's great that 107 flyers can get instant authorization, but its my understaniding the "fly for fun" flyers apparently have to wait until Nov for LAANC to be implemented according to several videos I watched.
Doesn't make sense to make a law effective in May, but cant utilize until Nov. Does anyone have another take on this?

 

[Adamborz]

Well, I notice I can change my 107 to fly for fun in AirMap. On my next job I need ATC I’ll see what happens when I try it under fly for fun and post back.

 

[Ansia]

It's great that 107 flyers can get instant authorization, but its my understaniding the "fly for fun" flyers apparently have to wait until Nov for LAANC to be implemented according to several videos I watched.
Doesn't make sense to make a law effective in May, but cant utilize until Nov. Does anyone have another take on this?

You can fly either in a hobby field approved by the FAA or go outside of controlled airspace, for now.

 

[wcw1223]

It's great that 107 flyers can get instant authorization, but its my understaniding the "fly for fun" flyers apparently have to wait until Nov for LAANC to be implemented according to several videos I watched.
Doesn't make sense to make a law effective in May, but cant utilize until Nov. Does anyone have another take on this?

Personally I think the new laws and reg's are a result of a number of thing. One being people flying recklessly and in the case of airport air space I think (based on a memo leaked by the FAA) they wanted to free the ATC from the phone calls that they considered a distraction and in reality they (the ATC'S) could not have stopped a person from flying anyway. I don't have a problem with the changes so far. I do believe they should have had all of the processes in place before the laws were implemented. But has government ever done anything all percent correct?