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So that might be at least three then....3 including a close call on Hollywood Beach
The thing I hope the authorities take home from this is both parties were operating in a completely legal fashion.
Folks forget that life isn't predictable and risk mitigation has to allow for that - nothing is served by requiring licensing, draconian restrictions or even outright bans.
great for pilots ,even UAS operators .testing which is needed to get 107 . to heap more rules and regulation and licensing on the all ready adequate part 107 would be beyond insane and would make no difference in potential conflicts . Of course if one wanted to do away with hobby flying of any kind or limit it to RC fields that would be one way to go. people make a bigger deal of drones then need be . like it or not they are either tools or toys depending on how you use them . drone operators [pilot just doens't fit] getting part 107 and sticking to the guidelines is more then enough , as shown by the above storyThere I would disagree. Flying compliantly makes it less likely that conflicts with air traffic will arise, and regulation, testing and licensing is a proven method to encourage and ensure compliant flying.
great for pilots ,even UAS operators .testing which is needed to get 107 . to heap more rules and regulation and licensing on the all ready adequate part 107 would be beyond insane and would make no difference in potential conflicts . Of course if one wanted to do away with hobby flying of any kind or limit it to RC fields that would be one way to go. people make a bigger deal of drones then need be . like it or not they are either tools or toys depending on how you use them . drone operators [pilot just doens't fit] getting part 107 and sticking to the guidelines is more then enough , as shown by the above story
not sure how flight testing would be incorporated into 107 . go up, go down, fly in a circle ? anyone can take a test and pass . look at all the drivers that can't really drive , they all took a driving test . hands 10 and 2 etc . it's not adding more testing that will help but enforcing existing rule and regs . same with illegal immigration . plenty of laws and more laws won't help but enforcing them willI mostly agree, with the caveat that perhaps Part 107 would be better if it included some element of flight testing. I was disagreeing with the statement that "nothing is served by requiring licensing...".
not sure how flight testing would be incorporated into 107 . go up, go down, fly in a circle ? anyone can take a test and pass . look at all the drivers that can't really drive , they all took a driving test . hands 10 and 2 etc . it's not adding more testing that will help but enforcing existing rule and regs . same with illegal immigration . plenty of laws and more laws won't help but enforcing them will
But we do have regulations , plenty in place to assure a safe environment . The only thing that could change is eliminate hobby operators or require all to go through 107 testing before being able to buy a drone . wouldn't that be great show your license before you could buy a drone . the drone again is no plane /helicopter . it will basically fly it's self and crash easily with operator error . ask me how i know this ! lol even pilots with all the training crash . it happens no way to avoid this 100% . Or they could continue to put limits on drones abilities make it so they can't fly over 400' are set max distance at 1000' or less , are these regulations you would want ?. It's a slippery slope .Flight testing is clearly beyond the current scope of the FAA's resources, but it would be nice to ensure that pilots have a basic understanding of the aircraft that they fly. Enforcement is probably also resource limited, but that's not a reason not to have regulations, since most (hopefully) Part 107 pilots will at least attempt to follow them.
But we do have regulations , plenty in place to assure a safe environment . The only thing that could change is eliminate hobby operators or require all to go through 107 testing before being able to buy a drone . wouldn't that be great show your license before you could buy a drone . the drone again is no plane /helicopter . it will basically fly it's self and crash easily with operator error . ask me how i know this ! lol even pilots with all the training crash . it happens no way to avoid this 100% . Or they could continue to put limits on drones abilities make it so they can't fly over 400' are set max distance at 1000' or less , are these regulations you would want ?. It's a slippery slope .
It's a slippery slope fallacy, not a slippery slope. Regulation of hobby flight is currently negligible. There is no altitude limit, no VLOS requirement, no controlled airspace, and no mechanism to ensure that hobbyists know anything at all about safe flying before they open the box and hit auto-takeoff. That's untenable, long term, with the explosion of use of aircraft that can easily fly miles away and 500 m
Wait a MINUTE . the regulations are in place the guidelines are in place same for part 107 operators . VLOS, max altitude 400' . no flying within 5 miles of airport , NFZ . hell the phantom won't let you fly in some conditions close to airports and TNFZ , Stadiums etc . the regulations of hobby flights are in place and not being enforced or people are flying beyond the regulations and not getting caught . all the regulations and laws in the world won't stop that only enforcement . Heck heroin is illegal but look at the problems we have with it . Adding tons of regulations will only make it hard for those who follow the laws .
Wait a MINUTE . the regulations are in place the guidelines are in place same for part 107 operators . VLOS, max altitude 400' . no flying within 5 miles of airport , NFZ . hell the phantom won't let you fly in some conditions close to airports and TNFZ , Stadiums etc . the regulations of hobby flights are in place and not being enforced or people are flying beyond the regulations and not getting caught . all the regulations and laws in the world won't stop that only enforcement . Heck heroin is illegal but look at the problems we have with it . Adding tons of regulations will only make it hard for those who follow the laws .
Agreed, even hobby flight should know about airspace and keep within VLOS and under 400AGL. Because of cheap quadcopters that anybody can buy and fly everyone is suffering and I feel most sorry for fixed wing Model Aircraft operators who almost never leave the club field but are probably going to get regulated to death.It's a slippery slope fallacy, not a slippery slope. Regulation of hobby flight is currently negligible. There is no altitude limit, no VLOS requirement, no controlled airspace, and no mechanism to ensure that hobbyists know anything at all about safe flying before they open the box and hit auto-takeoff. That's untenable, long term, with the explosion of use of aircraft that can easily fly miles away and 500 m high.
Flight testing could be put in the hands of the AMA, sort of like how the FCC doles out ham radio testing to Volunteer Examiners or how some states use NRA instructors to conduct firearms range testing.Flight testing is clearly beyond the current scope of the FAA's resources, but it would be nice to ensure that pilots have a basic understanding of the aircraft that they fly. Enforcement is probably also resource limited, but that's not a reason not to have regulations, since most (hopefully) Part 107 pilots will at least attempt to follow them.
Flight testing could be put in the hands of the AMA, sort of like how the FCC doles out ham radio testing to Volunteer Examiners or how some states use NRA instructors to conduct firearms range testing.
Just a thought.
I don't think it's nearly as incongruous as you think it is.Maybe. But if we are talking about flight testing for Part 107 then it might be a bit incongruous to use a hobby organization to conduct flight testing for non-hobby pilots.