Helicopter meet Phantom. Phantom lost
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Right - I realize that, but the poster I was responding to was arguing that hobbyists are perfectly capable of regulating their hobby. I agree with that, but that's different from a hobby organization regulating non-hobby users, which is what we were discussing.
Meh - it's a blurry line to me - lots of folks getting their 107 permits who are primarily hobbyists - and lots of people on forums like this one who think that everyone should have those permits (or equivalents, abroad) even if they're only hobbyists. To keep going with the FCC/ham comparison, the GROL (which very few folks would ever get if they did not require it for their jobs or business) is also not administered by the FCC. That is farmed out to GOLEMs (instead of VEs). There is nothing particularly special about the GOLEMs, frankly, and several listed on the FCC's web site are non-profit organizations.
Right, but that's still getting away from the point that, even if some, or even many, Part 107 operators are also hobbyists, Part 107 is not a hobby certification, so that is not a good supporting reason.
The FCC example may be a good one though. There is certainly no reason for the testing not to be delegated to other organizations - just like Part 107 already is. The question is whether a purely hobby organization is appropriate.
For those of you who 'do not think their should be a basic practical flight test' please go to YouTube and type in 'drone crash' or drone hit a wall, or drone hit my face! Drones are not toys and can inflict real damage, taking a written test is needed to know the laws, and taken a basic flight test is needed so that you understand how to handle the drone, yes as simple as fly forward, backward go left go right and land. At least if those simple things maybe they wont fly into their face or someone else. Oh also look at youtube for 'first drone flight' and you can appreciate the idiots out their that think they can fly and can not.
Yah but you know outright ban will eventually come if collisions with Drones or a loss of life occurs as result of a Drone/s
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I spend quite a lot of time in helicopters all over the U.S and in my experience there is an unofficial cruising altitude of 500' that helicopters fly at. It keeps them out of the way of fixed wing aircraft that are usually above 1000' unless in airport traffic areas.
Due to sea plane and ultralight activity in my town (Lakes Region of NH), manned aircraft regularly fly below 500' (usually at tree top level). That literally makes the 400' drone ceiling an immaterial guideline/rule. You can't launch with tall pine trees or buildings near you that restrict your VLOS. If the weather is good, especially on weekends, you need to launch in a open area which allows you to see over the tree tops to enable you to see manned aircraft over 2000' away so that you can react to incoming sea planes and/or ultralights. It sounds like, from what I have read above, that the drone pilot, using mapping software, had his vision blocked by trees or buildings so that he/she could not respond responsively. Admittedly, safe drone flying places a large burden of due diligence on us as drone pilots.
Once the novelty wears off on aerial pics and vids, when they are a dime a dozen (maybe already are LOL), I think things will thin out a bit. ;-)
I feel a bit short-sighted if I believe unmanned aircraft won’t force a change in manned aircraft rules. Autonomous craft (Uber, UPS, DHL, FedEx, Amazon) will carve out a section of the NAS and manned aircraft will need to stay out. Hobbyists will see a ceiling of 300’, piloted Part 107 VLOS a 400’ ceiling, autonomous BVLOS 300-500’ and manned greater than 500’.
Commerce will rule. Manned piloted helicopters will lose to autonomous unmanned computer piloted, people carrying - package carrying aircraft. Follow the money, generate the most, you win.
Commerce will rule. Manned piloted helicopters will lose to autonomous unmanned computer piloted, people carrying - package carrying aircraft. Follow the money, generate the most, you win.
How can you have a collision with a helicopter and claim operating in accordance with the law?
long thread IMHO the drone operator was at fault . no reason that 1. he could not hear the copter way before he saw it. 2. that he could not descend fast enough or take other evasive action to avoid hitting the copter . takes some kind of stupid to hit a copter or any other AC . adding flight testing for hobbyist or part 107 is a joke and would be a waste of time and money . the written testing alone is enough to know the airspace rules . always give way to manned flights no matter alt. Flight testing would accomplish nothing . I've mentioned it before up,down, forward , backward, side to side . nothing flight testing could do to avoid stupid . they don't have common sense classes as it seems it can't be taught . Adding on to testing would make no difference and only add unneeded regulations that would eventually limit those who fly by either making it cost prohibitive , or time prohibitive . of course it would be a good thing to any testing facility as now they can make more money
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it ain't flyng no 714 mps . and this was not the copter in the indecent . the military is not flying the CH47 below 400' anywhere around the US except in training areas and they are NFZ's . and to say it's gone before you can process the info that a copter is coming and gone is a stretch . lmao .
They are just making comments about my post. Most helicopters fly low over my ridge. Sometimes I have difficulty getting out of their way. My hearing isn't good. I didn't have to hear when the CH47's came over. They shook the whole house. I wanted to see what was going on. lol
Only one time I had a helicopter go under elevation from me. Fortunately I was not that close to it. I think they fly low, because why go higher when they cross the ridge, after that, their 1,200 ft above the valley.
my mistake . up where I Elk in Eagle Colorado on the flat tops they do dust offs . you can hear them from miles away even at 10,000 ft . make a hell of a racket they'll come to the edge of mountain and barely touch down on one skid . they do high elevation training
