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[Slickvolt]

Sarcastically throwing labels around accomplishes nothing other than to prove you have no idea what is going on in the real world. Being rude and insulting is not clever nor does it contribute anything positive to the topic we have been trying to discuss here.

Sarcasm, where? Someone just stated the world largest communist country was no longer communist...that’s huge...I and the US Military have completely missed this bit of literally earth shaking knowledge, I would think epic news like this has a headline...China no longer communist...really, please show me the headline, the proof text...surely you have it based on your comment...waiting? Prove to everyone here, you know what your talking about.

 

[Slickvolt]

Things are a lot different in current times to how you are presenting them. China currently has 70% of business with private ownership employing 80% of the workforce. Yes, the biggest entities may be subject to government control however if you consider they are in banking, energy and similar essential service segments that might not be best driven by private investor return that is arguably a good thing.

Under communism..ALL ENTITIES ARE UNDER GOVERNMENT CONTROL... seriously are you not aware of this fact?

 

[Slickvolt]

That was true in 1983 when I visited Shanghai and we were followed around constantly and stayed in government owned hotels and used fake money that could only be spent in government owned businesses. Being in the military certainly raised our profile a bit and we were constantly being saluted.
I digress.
Fast forward to 2017 and that level of scrutiny is long gone, I was personally involved with doing business with privately owned companies when acquiring equipment for a new mine that we were building and whilst they still work under general Chinese government regulations and local 'council' guidance, they are essentially free to work under the usual capitalist rules. They love to drink and stay up late at night and there is quite a lot of bribery going on, but the deals are done and hence the plethora of billionaire Chinese men/women.
If you want to see communist government control in real action, visit either Vietnam or Cambodia. Then you would have a degree of relevance in some of your posts.

I can assure you, you have fallen behind, we certainly have better relations with Chinathan in the past, but internally China is still ruled by an iron hand. They have been for centuries...in fact that is their core belief. Their publicly stated approach to defeat the US, is to defeat us from the inside...the Art of War. Think about that sometime when you have nothing better to do..what the implications of that centuries old philosophy would look like in the modern world. It would look exactly like what you just described and your guard would be ...fictitiously down. China is seen as one of our top adversaries to this very day.

 

[Slickvolt]

Things are a lot different in current times to how you are presenting them. China currently has 70% of business with private ownership employing 80% of the workforce. Yes, the biggest entities may be subject to government control however if you consider they are in banking, energy and similar essential service segments that might not be best driven by private investor return that is arguably a good thing.

China got those stats how? Do you know? They literally took over Hong Kong. They made one change, they left economically independent Hong Kong businesses functioning under Government minders. A hostile take over of the 1990s. I can’t believe this generation is unaware of these epic world events.

 

[Slickvolt]

I doubt that anything I could say would do anything to change your mind.
It's like you've been underground since 1963 and just came out into the world.
You'll find that lots of things have changed since then.

Someone here has - you got that part right.

All I asked you to do was provide the EPIC historical announcement that China is no longer communist. Surely the largest Communist Country in the World made Epic Headlines when they became the freedom loving free society you portray...I must have had my head in a box when that occurred...so p,ease provide it...since you are so sure. If not, then consider why ...or where, you picked up that epic fallacy as a personal truth...it’s rather disturbing, and if you can’t provide the headlines, then you must admit...something is wrong with your belief. The largest communist dictatorship on the planet would surely make news dropping communism.

 

[tevek]

I can assure you, you have fallen behind, we certainly have better relations with Chinathan in the past, but internally China is still ruled by an iron hand. They have been for centuries...in fact that is their core belief. Their publicly stated approach to defeat the US, is to defeat us from the inside...the Art of War. Think about that sometime when you have nothing better to do..what the implications of that centuries old philosophy would look like in the modern world. It would look exactly like what you just described and your guard would be ...fictitiously down. China is seen as one of our top adversaries to this very day.

I think you need to settle down a bit, sure China is on a path of expansion much like many other developed countries and through shear numbers and government support, will probably overtake the US and Europe WRT to their massive scales of economy. I was merely sharing my personal experience having worked directly with the Chinese and having a look at how the system works. There was certainly no cloak and dagger stuff going on, their proposal was tendered amongst many others, we accepted and they delivered.
More importantly, the sun still rose this morning, the trucks, dozers, wheel loaders and a pile of dewatering equipment that we purchased are running fine and I suspect not spying on the company.

 

[Slickvolt]

I think you need to settle down a bit, sure China is on a path of expansion much like many other developed countries and through shear numbers and government support, will probably overtake the US and Europe WRT to their massive scales of economy. I was merely sharing my personal experience having worked directly with the Chinese and having a look at how the system works. There was certainly no cloak and dagger stuff going on, their proposal was tendered amongst many others, we accepted and they delivered.
More importantly, the sun still rose this morning, the trucks, dozers, wheel loaders and a pile of dewatering equipment that we purchased are running fine and I suspect not spying on the company.

enjoy...
List of massacres in China - Wikipedia

 

[Slickvolt]

I think you need to settle down a bit, sure China is on a path of expansion much like many other developed countries and through shear numbers and government support, will probably overtake the US and Europe WRT to their massive scales of economy. I was merely sharing my personal experience having worked directly with the Chinese and having a look at how the system works. There was certainly no cloak and dagger stuff going on, their proposal was tendered amongst many others, we accepted and they delivered.
More importantly, the sun still rose this morning, the trucks, dozers, wheel loaders and a pile of dewatering equipment that we purchased are running fine and I suspect not spying on the company.

Here a few more current facts...and actually a very interesting read:
China

 

[With The Birds]

China got those stats how? Do you know? They literally took over Hong Kong. They made one change, they left economically independent Hong Kong businesses functioning under Government minders. A hostile take over of the 1990s. I can’t believe this generation is unaware of these epic world events.

Actually the British returned HK to the mainland China control.... You need to look at what is happening in China. Sure the state maintains ownership/control of significant resources and land assets but there is plenty of room for flourishing free enterprise, they didn’t become the second largest world economy under strict communist control as it is generally understood to operate.

 

[Slickvolt]

Actually the British returned HK to the mainland China control.... You need to look at what is happening in China. Sure the state maintains ownership/control of significant resources and land assets but there is plenty of room for flourishing free enterprise, they didn’t become the second largest world economy under strict communist control as it is generally understood to operate.

Here: China

 

[With The Birds]

Here: China

That might be a good article if we were discussing human rights issues. It does nothing to support your assertion that all entities are under government control- which of course they aren’t.

 

[Slickvolt]

That might be a good article if we were discussing human rights issues. It does nothing to support your assertion that all entities are under government control- which of course they aren’t.

Actually, it discusses that very issue...

 

[Slickvolt]

That might be a good article if we were discussing human rights issues. It does nothing to support your assertion that all entities are under government control- which of course they aren’t.

This is real simple..if the Chinese are no longer communist, that tantamount to the US no longer being capitalists...the headlines would be epic and across the world..Simply produce the headlines

 

[tevek]

That might be a good article if we were discussing human rights issues. It does nothing to support your assertion that all entities are under government control- which of course they aren’t.

I am seriously trying to stay out of this post for fear of the mods shutting it down. I agree that the links that were posted signify some ongoing challenges with China, but neither of them are substantive in relating to the original intent of this post. If they were, I could post up links to the numbers of casualties and human rights violations that occurred in Kuwait, Afghanistan,Syria and Iraq, all the while involving supposed advanced societies and argue that we are being 'managed' by our respective governments.

 

[With The Birds]

I am seriously trying to stay out of this post for fear of the mods shutting it down. I agree that the links that were posted signify some ongoing challenges with China, but neither of them are substantive in relating to the original intent of this post. If they were, I could post up links to the numbers of casualties and human rights violations that occurred in Kuwait, Afghanistan,Syria and Iraq, all the while involving supposed advanced societies and argue that we are being 'managed' by our respective governments.

I know you to be on an even keel Mate so I will follow your good sense and judgement here. Apologies to all to the extent I may have further contributed to detail this thread.

 

[tevek]

I know you to be on an even keel Mate so I will follow your good sense and judgement here. Apologies to all to the extent I may have further contributed to detail this thread.

Actually to the contrary, I enjoy a robust discussion, but get weary when confronted with ad hominem comments. I have personal experience both in the military and more recently from a business perspective of dealing with the Chinese and was only sharing an observation based on actual experience rather than relying on something I had read. No issues with anything you have posted as they are relevant and provide a sensible counterpoint to an otherwise emotive discussion.

 

[anotherlab]

Every Chinese company is Chinese Government...you don’t know what communism is...this is amazing hearing this out of the blue..and I’m taking you serious, that you literally think Chinese companies are somehow divorced from Chinese Government. Do you know what communism is? It is Government central control of everyone and and everything...” for the good of the people”.
Even in France, which isn’t at all communist, but Socialist the companies are overseen by Government liaisons...I personally visited one such company and the Government minder was all over me the whole time...that’s in Paris...in China, it’s a notch more real where you as an American get followed around by Government minders even if you’re on vacation...how did you ever turn them into nice guys?

How much time have you actually spent in China? You are describing the China from Chairman Mao's time. That China doesn't really exist anymore. Central ownership of has been gone for decades now. Politically, they are communist. The banks and the media are state run. And the state owns all of the land. The rest of it is pure capitalism.

The Slate has a nice article about what Communism really means in China. It's a fairly old article, but a lot more relevant than saying "Every Chinese company is Chinese Government...you don’t know what communism is"

The irony is that the Communist leadership structure is geared toward capitalist ends. For example, regional leaders are evaluated every year based on economic growth in their domains. That gives them incentives to drive innovation however possible—sometimes by fostering healthy competition among companies and other times by encouraging a monopoly.

 

[FLOATIN]

Aside from superficial PR, China has not even pretended to be a communist country since Deng Xiaoping in the late 70s.
Like all authoritarian regimes, modern and old, the slogans remain but the substance is weak or completely gone.

 

[Slickvolt]

Aside from superficial PR, China has not even pretended to be a communist country since Deng Xiaoping in the late 70s.
Like all authoritarian regimes, modern and old, the slogans remain but the substance is weak or completely gone.

And yet with this epic world changing news of your own making, not EVEN ONE newspaper or news outlet has covered it...AMAZING...you have wonderful fantasies

 

[Slickvolt]

Aside from superficial PR, China has not even pretended to be a communist country since Deng Xiaoping in the late 70s.
Like all authoritarian regimes, modern and old, the slogans remain but the substance is weak or completely gone.

Oh by the way, to help you with fantasy, here is reality...CIA FACTBOOK ON CHINA, UPDATED ONLY 2 weeks ago...take note..China is STILL OFFICIALLY A COMMUNIST STATE...Facts are pesky things
The World Factbook — Central Intelligence Agency