In our country (Australia) commercial operators are not allowed within 30 metres of any person or building. I agree with the rest of your post. Of course we can fly over houses. We just have to use common sense. I notice you guys fly at night a lot. We would end up in jail if we did that here, commercial or otherwise without a rating. As a commercial operator I do avoid flying over anything that could suffer if my drone fell out of the sky. I would never fly without VLOS or without a thorough pre flight check. I have been caught before even though I should know better having flown Cessnas for years. Most issues are pilot error.
First run in with neighbor.....and the law
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So, your solution is to file a false police report on something like Pedophilia!!? Holly crap, I cannot believe some of the comments made by our community here.
The whole idea and the way your process sickens me.
First we don't know if he'll ever here from this guy again, so based on what we know, a guy called the cops instead of pulling a weapon out or other means of dealing with his problem, because he "felt" it was his right, so in defense of yourself, you find it necessary to file a false report of something that can and should be devastating to a normal guy with kids?
Just shut up, I've never said this before to anyone on a forum, let alone this one where there are some great minds and good ppl, you have no shame and I'd hate to be the poor SOB that accidentally cut you off or hit your mailbox, what do you do to your dog when it has an accident? Shoot it?
Your a sad angry man, and anyone that condones or compliments this ridiculous behavior is an idiot.
I'd love to see how the cops and his lawyer handle your false claims, not only that if he lost his job because of this garbage, your directly on the hook for slander, as you should be, so when he wins and you owe him $2.5m for his next 10 years at his job, maybe that would give you time to think how.....stupid a remark like this is, what are you 10?
Ok, I'm out now, if you want to reply, and want a tiny chance in hell I'll even read it, make it personal message because....just yuck, yuck!
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BigA107 said it all and you should listen to that strong piece of advice! I can't tell you how many people I've demonstrated the Phantom to that have ȚOTALLY opened their eyes up to the point of them wanting to run to a store and purchase one. They were misinformed by the media as if drones were the devil. Kills me how much the public lives, breathes, and eats on anything the media says. It's really sad! But on a lighter note, the many people that I have shown were truly amazed at its capabilities leaving them with a new found respect.
This is one of these moments I just have to lose it...
So basically your contention is "We should only fly if we own or have access to acres & acres of property and we should absolutely never, EVER, do anything that might offend or potentially put anyone at risk NO MATTER HOW SLIGHT OR MINUSCULE that risk?" This is ridiculous. I don't particularly like screaming brats or skateboaders, or people that blare their music in their car so loud it vibrates my truck, but it's a part of life. People need to learn to deal with reality. What if this neighborhood clown doesn't like airplanes flying over his house, cars & bicycles driving down the street, or kids walking past his house on the sidewalk. What if the Phantom took off & went in Berserker mode, had a flyaway & crashed through the maternity ward at a hospital five miles away hacking several newborn infants to death? Hey it COULD happen!
SMFH....
So basically your contention is "We should only fly if we own or have access to acres & acres of property and we should absolutely never, EVER, do anything that might offend or potentially put anyone at risk NO MATTER HOW SLIGHT OR MINUSCULE that risk?" This is ridiculous. I don't particularly like screaming brats or skateboaders, or people that blare their music in their car so loud it vibrates my truck, but it's a part of life. People need to learn to deal with reality. What if this neighborhood clown doesn't like airplanes flying over his house, cars & bicycles driving down the street, or kids walking past his house on the sidewalk. What if the Phantom took off & went in Berserker mode, had a flyaway & crashed through the maternity ward at a hospital five miles away hacking several newborn infants to death? Hey it COULD happen!
SMFH....
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Be low...
{QUOTE="Sim597, post: 851899, member: 55562"]So, your solution is to file a false police report on something like Pedophilia!!? Holly crap, I cannot believe some of the comments made by our community here.
The whole idea and the way your process sickens me.
First we don't know if he'll ever here from this guy again, so based on what we know, a guy called the cops instead of pulling a weapon out or other means of dealing with his problem, because he "felt" it was his right, so in defense of yourself, you find it necessary to file a false report of something that can and should be devastating to a normal guy with kids?
Just shut up, I've never said this before to anyone on a forum, let alone this one where there are some great minds and good ppl, you have no shame and I'd hate to be the poor SOB that accidentally cut you off or hit your mailbox, what do you do to your dog when it has an accident? Shoot it?
Your a sad angry man, and anyone that condones or compliments this ridiculous behavior is an idiot.
I'd love to see how the cops and his lawyer handle your false claims, not only that if he lost his job because of this garbage, your directly on the hook for slander, as you should be, so when he wins and you owe him $2.5m for his next 10 years at his job, maybe that would give you time to think how.....stupid a remark like this is, what are you 10?
Ok, I'm out now, if you want to reply, and want a tiny chance in hell I'll even read it, make it personal message because....just yuck, yuck!
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{QUOTE="Sim597, post: 851899, member: 55562"]So, your solution is to file a false police report on something like Pedophilia!!? Holly crap, I cannot believe some of the comments made by our community here.
The whole idea and the way your process sickens me.
First we don't know if he'll ever here from this guy again, so based on what we know, a guy called the cops instead of pulling a weapon out or other means of dealing with his problem, because he "felt" it was his right, so in defense of yourself, you find it necessary to file a false report of something that can and should be devastating to a normal guy with kids?
Just shut up, I've never said this before to anyone on a forum, let alone this one where there are some great minds and good ppl, you have no shame and I'd hate to be the poor SOB that accidentally cut you off or hit your mailbox, what do you do to your dog when it has an accident? Shoot it?
Your a sad angry man, and anyone that condones or compliments this ridiculous behavior is an idiot.
I'd love to see how the cops and his lawyer handle your false claims, not only that if he lost his job because of this garbage, your directly on the hook for slander, as you should be, so when he wins and you owe him $2.5m for his next 10 years at his job, maybe that would give you time to think how.....stupid a remark like this is, what are you 10?
Ok, I'm out now, if you want to reply, and want a tiny chance in hell I'll even read it, make it personal message because....just yuck, yuck!
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I agree that there are a lot of people who have no business flying and absolutely no regard for safety or the rules! They make it hard for the rest if us. The laws here state that when flying over people there has to be sufficient coverage over said people.in case of an accident...aka...inside a house. Life before property always! Didn't mean to sound so harsh on the last post!
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Beautiful, wonderful post! But unfortunately there are some people in this world that no matter what they are shown, their minds are made up and won't change easily or ever. You are right though and elequantly stated.
Once again, do not fly next to houses! That will avoid many problems and also to have again, a 207 pages thread aout a close encounter with a frustrated, ignorant, jealous of your toy moron with too much time in his hands, coming to try to get a bit of you. I would love to have mountains and desert around me and enjoy flying there.
That will avoid many problems and also to have again, a 207 pages thread aout a close encounter with a frustrated, ignorant, jealous of your toy moron with too much time in his hands, coming to try to get a bit of you. I would love to have mountains and desert around me and enjoy flying there.
I had one disturbing incident the very first time flying my new P3 from my front yard. Right as I landed, a woman with a Russian accent pulled up in a car and immediately started yelling, "You have permit?". I said I don't need one, whereupon she called me a spy and said she's ashamed to be my neighbor (I'd never seen her before or since and have not a clue where she lives).
The last exchange pissed me off and I told her to go back to her country if she didn't like it. She then threatened to come back with a shotgun. Oh well. If she were not a raving lunatic I would have engaged her in a more friendly manner and shown her some of the feed. That didn't deter me and still fly the P4 around my neighborhood.
The key is to climb rapidly and don't disturb. Also as mentioned earlier, any chance I get I show people the FPV and they immediately realize you're not spying on the neighborhood.
The last exchange pissed me off and I told her to go back to her country if she didn't like it. She then threatened to come back with a shotgun. Oh well. If she were not a raving lunatic I would have engaged her in a more friendly manner and shown her some of the feed. That didn't deter me and still fly the P4 around my neighborhood.
The key is to climb rapidly and don't disturb. Also as mentioned earlier, any chance I get I show people the FPV and they immediately realize you're not spying on the neighborhood.
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This is what I share when confronted & the whiner is willing to watch then or later. The video is long but well worth the time. It has also come in handy when a local TV station was going to do a piece where a lady said a drone was taking pictures of her kids. TV station killed the piece.
Dude drove up in a truck and I was friendly and tried approaching and he took off.
Sorry for being MIA was traveling for work.
I literally have 3 blocks to travel until I hit about 180 degrees of wide open desert for about 6+ miles out. I'm not going to pack my stuff up and drive 3 blocks all because one dude got mad. It's not like I live in a densely populated area and am just flying circles over my neighbors house. I am very respectful of people and usually fly 400' when having to fly over buildings. Also, it is perfectly legal to fly over Buildings. It is NOT legal to fly over people and I don't. To the poster who said what happened if my P4 fell out of the sky and hit a house - gee airplanes are a lot heavier and fly over houses. Those have been commonly (more than a P4) documented to hot houses yet they still fly over houses.
I called the non-emergency line and spoke with an officer the next day. He said it's very easy to sniff out when people are being jerks and this guy sounded like he was just being a jerk because the cop is familiar with P4s. He said if I can avoid flying in the same area (they can't tell me where the guy lived of course) then I should, but if not there is nothing wrong doing a fly over. He said that if an officer came back my drone could be impounded and I could be ticketed or arrested. He said if I truly wasn't doing anything wrong I should offer to show the flight record. He said if I don't fly while recording, he recommends that I record the whole flight to use as evidence that I wasn't doing anything wrong.
I would own up if I was hovering over someone's house and or taking photos or video of them from a distance and was caught. I will absolutely not own up and let some tool control me when lying.
Bottom line, I'm not letting this guy ruin my hobby. I'll slightly modify my Flght path (I don't normally fly in e same area anyway), but I'm not going to let it ruin th hobby for me. I can still fly while being respectful of other people's privacy; always have and always will.
I literally have 3 blocks to travel until I hit about 180 degrees of wide open desert for about 6+ miles out. I'm not going to pack my stuff up and drive 3 blocks all because one dude got mad. It's not like I live in a densely populated area and am just flying circles over my neighbors house. I am very respectful of people and usually fly 400' when having to fly over buildings. Also, it is perfectly legal to fly over Buildings. It is NOT legal to fly over people and I don't. To the poster who said what happened if my P4 fell out of the sky and hit a house - gee airplanes are a lot heavier and fly over houses. Those have been commonly (more than a P4) documented to hot houses yet they still fly over houses.
I called the non-emergency line and spoke with an officer the next day. He said it's very easy to sniff out when people are being jerks and this guy sounded like he was just being a jerk because the cop is familiar with P4s. He said if I can avoid flying in the same area (they can't tell me where the guy lived of course) then I should, but if not there is nothing wrong doing a fly over. He said that if an officer came back my drone could be impounded and I could be ticketed or arrested. He said if I truly wasn't doing anything wrong I should offer to show the flight record. He said if I don't fly while recording, he recommends that I record the whole flight to use as evidence that I wasn't doing anything wrong.
I would own up if I was hovering over someone's house and or taking photos or video of them from a distance and was caught. I will absolutely not own up and let some tool control me when lying.
Bottom line, I'm not letting this guy ruin my hobby. I'll slightly modify my Flght path (I don't normally fly in e same area anyway), but I'm not going to let it ruin th hobby for me. I can still fly while being respectful of other people's privacy; always have and always will.
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I still take issue with the seizure and arrest comment. At this point I do not think there is anything but an allegation. I would absolutely stop offering information I would attempt to avoid the idiot neighbor but fly in accordance of the rules. That's it.
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I have strong feelings about this too. This is simply a scare tactic. They have no rights to take your personal property or regulate NAS. What are they, the cops, doing again? Why did they visit you? We need to stand up for ourselves guys! Don't let some ignorant LEO try to inform about laws they have no clue of or jurisdiction over. What's really going on??? Is our society so scared of the police that we are letting them guide us???
We all need to step back from this and have a look from the outside. When was the last time a LEO asked a regular pilot about his flight path?
I'm not saying lets be rude and disrespectful. I'm saying lets educate. Instead of listening to what the cops have to say (they obviously don't have a clue), we need to be doing the talking with documents in hand so they can read and be educated just like us. I carry seven pages of laminated docs just in case.......
Remember cops are trained to intemidate. They do it naturally and depending on your attitude and mood of the day, you might just accept what they are telling you.....
This is great, but a property owner has no rights on the air above the tallest structure on there property. So legally I can hover over your backyard 5 feet above the top of your house. This is a federal law and has nothing to do with cops.
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I wouldn't though. I live in the country where I can fire off firearms legally. Someone flies over my house, even hovers for a minute or two fine, but if it becomes what I consider out of line, .00 buck from a coach gun time. I've had this discussion with the county deputies whose jurisdiction I fall under.
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