Will we get screwed by Trade War?

[dangerd]

The playing field has been so skewed for so long in China’s favor that we literally have handed them their economy on a silver platter while simultaneously shackling our own.

It is only skewed because AMERICAN companies decided to save money by using labor outside of the U.S., AMERICAN companies also AGREED to partner with Chinese companies, which in effect gives the Chinese company access to the American IP.

If American companies were not so GREEDY and they used American Labor instead of going to foreign countries to use what amounts to almost slave labor then there would not be any "skew in China's favor."
American's have (as usual) nobody to blame but themselves, making this quote SO TRUE > "we literally have handed them their economy on a silver platter while simultaneously shackling our own"

And probably at some point if the tariffs keep going then yes the price will go up.

Why China is a leader in intellectual property (and what the US has to do with it)

 

[Meta4]

Yes!!! I agree 100%. I just hope you don’t get banned from here for speaking the truth!

Jim ...Members don't get banned for speaking the truth.
That's a silly thing to say and suggests an unnecessary level of paranoia in your thinking.

Most economic experts might disagree that what you were commenting on was the truth but THECaptainKirk still won't even get a warning here for expressing his opinion.

Our community rules are clearly set out here: Community Guidelines

 

[Squirrel!]

Look at the big picture, not if you will have to pay more for your quad.
That is how DJI got ahead, by being able to under cut everyone elses prices. Now maybe an American company can compete instead of going under. More jobs here. More competition. Better service. End of the drone monopoly.

There is no "drone monopoly" FFS! What are you talking about? Do you even know what a "monopoly" is?! LOL

 

[Flex4]

It is only skewed because AMERICAN companies decided to save money by using labor outside of the U.S., AMERICAN companies also AGREED to partner with Chinese companies, which in effect gives the Chinese company access to the American IP.

If American companies were not so GREEDY and they used American Labor instead of going to foreign countries to use what amounts to almost slave labor then there would not be any "skew in China's favor."
American's have (as usual) nobody to blame but themselves, making this quote SO TRUE > "we literally have handed them their economy on a silver platter while simultaneously shackling our own"

And probably at some point if the tariffs keep going then yes the price will go up.

Why China is a leader in intellectual property (and what the US has to do with it)

It's not so much that companies are greedy, but that government is even more greedy. States like California and New York have driven companies to leave due to high taxes being imposed on business, the government over the last few decades single handedly has been solely responsible for driving companies out of our country. Greed is rampant in our government and that is the primary issue with our country today and why we continue to be taxed excessively for the incompetence and greed that is out of control. When the greed and internal corruption is much larger than the companies' greed that exists in this country it leads to the mess and state of affairs we're in right now.

As said previously before President Trump is doing great economically in this country right now, but how long will that last before the next President destroys that ground and success for this country that has been gained. Competition is very healthy, and competition within our country will not live again unless we bring all other countries onto an even playing field. These tariffs on other countries is an absolute necessity to the economic solvency and success of our great country.

 

[MarkyGA]

Let me jump back in here, being as I’m the one who started this discussion. DJI has put thousands of dollars in my pocket as a result of drone missions using their products. A 25% tariff on DJI products would be a BUMMER. Period. And furthermore, anyone who thinks that trade wars are a “good thing” or “easy to win” is a pickle short of a full jar.

 

[ryszardx]

Do you understand how tariffs work and who pays them? (hint .. it's not the Chinese)
Do you understand what a trade deficit is?

Umm ... successes like the Taj Mahal Casino resort, the Plaza Hotel and Casino, and Marina Hotel Casino that all went bankrupt, twice?
Or that "university"?

Yourself being a moderator, I am surprised by your anti-Trump dribble. I come to this site to get info and dialogue on drones not skewed ideologies!

 

[Flex4]

Let me jump back in here, being as I’m the one who started this discussion. DJI has put thousands of dollars in my pocket as a result of drone missions using their products. A 25% tariff on DJI products would be a BUMMER. Period. And furthermore, anyone who thinks that trade wars are a “good thing” or “easy to win” is a pickle short of a full jar.

It's obvious that your missing the big picture and as a result you resort to insults. Having a healthy debate is apprently something that your not very comfortable or secure with.

 

[skiptv]

Look at the big picture, not if you will have to pay more for your quad.
That is how DJI got ahead, by being able to under cut everyone elses prices. Now maybe an American company can compete instead of going under. More jobs here. More competition. Better service. End of the drone monopoly.

American companies tried to produce drones ever heard of the 3DR. It wasn’t the price that killed that company it was the technology and the quality of the product that failed. As a matter of fact I’m in the drone business and in the last five years USA made drones have been far inferior to the DJI, at the beginning 5,4 years or so ago all the prices were about the same. The tariffs will hurt. Drones. Phones. And computers which small businesses depend on will all cost much more money. There was no reason for tarrifs as the economy was doing great.

 

[skiptv]

I’d support any tariff on Chinese products that brings them in line with our trade deficit. Not to mention the years of technology theft from us! Why bother to build something new when they can just steal the data from us knowing we would not retaliate! However President Trump, with his business knowledge, knows how do deal with cheaters like Red China and in the long run don’t be surprised if DJI future sakes prices here don’t drop! President Trump, Love or hate him, you can’t knock his success in past business deals and current growth of our country!

Thanks
Jim
WA5TEF

Yes his bankrupt casinos, his failed for profit schools and abandoned hotels and his billions of loans from Saudi Arabia are great business decisions. What trade deficit? China buys our debt, learn your economics that cancels out the debt and puts Hard Chinese cash back into American investments in real estate and construction. Hopefully your a better drone pilot then an economist

 

[WV. Rootman]

There is no "drone monopoly" FFS! What are you talking about? Do you even know what a "monopoly" is?! LOL

Why do you have such a strong demeanor about it. I’m not sure you have the full scope of the meaning? One of the examples sentences in the definitions may help you understand more completely.
“The company had achieved such total dominance in its area of the market that it had effectively become a monopoly, making it impossible for competitors to succeed.”
Which of your friends needs to learn this term?
I see it as a monopoly, if you don’t, that is your opinion.

 

[Method007]

Why do you have such a strong demeanor about it. I’m not sure you have the full scope of the meaning? One of the examples sentences in the definitions may help you understand more completely.
“The company had achieved such total dominance in its area of the market that it had effectively become a monopoly, making it impossible for competitors to succeed.”
Which of your friends needs to learn this term?
I see it as a monopoly, if you don’t, that is your opinion.

The definition of a monopoly is not based on an opinion, it’s specific, unchanging and something you can lookup quickly online. Nobody has a monopoly on drones - period. That is not a disputable thing, it’s literally a fact. Somethings are actual facts.

Monopoly: the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service.

Your opinion does not change the actual definition of the term.

 

[Method007]

Yes, drones are going to cost more.

Anybody who has taken a basic high school level history course understands that tariffs are terrible to everyone. There is no winning, there is just losing. If anybody has anything that shows the successful use of tariffs over the long term I would love to see it. You can speak with the people currently being laid off, the businesses going bankrupt or moving overseas about how helpful tariffs have been for them.

This may shock a lot of people but when you put Tariffs on a country - they just put Tarriffs on you.

 

[WV. Rootman]

The definition of a monopoly is not based on an opinion, it’s specific, unchanging and something you can lookup quickly online. Nobody has a monopoly on drones - period. That is not a disputable thing, it’s literally a fact. Somethings are actual facts.

Monopoly: the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service.

Your opinion does not change the actual definition of the term.

Most Every word has multiple definitions. I left a reference from where I got my definition, but it came out as a red sentence not looking as the reference,”Business Dictionary.” It will take you their if you tap it.
No, my opinion can not change the definition, nor you producing a single quote.

 

[Method007]

Most Every word has multiple definitions. I left a reference from where I got my definition, but it came out as a red sentence not looking as the reference,”Business Dictionary.” It will take you their if you tap it.
No, my opinion can not change the definition, nor you producing a single quote.

The quote was the definition of the word. Your own link has the same definition.

“Market situation where one producer (or a groupof producers acting in concert) controls supply of a good or service, and where the entry of new producers is prevented or highly restricted.”

There are multiple producers of drones that are not acting in concert. DJI does not have a monopoly on drones.

It’s not a big deal, It’s just one misused word dude. Oligopoly may be the word you were thinking of.

 

[netfolks2000]

The whole tariff brawl started because of the imbalance. It really is unfair for other countries to have the upper hand and make more money on products than our own American companies. Yes, no tariffs at all would be the best. But you will continue to see countries create tariffs to give certain of their industries advantages over the "foreign" ones. No tariffs someday, hopefully, but probably not soon. Meanwhile only trying to balance it a bit more is the objective. We don't need to be the one that always gives in to help support another country's pet industry.

 

[MarkyGA]

The Associated Press is reporting that new homes are costing an extra $20K to build, thanks to the tariffs. Now tell me again how wonderful/beneficial they are??

 

[PunaPhantom]

I would pay more for a locally manufactured product. All the clever tech in DJI products is bought in. They (DJI) were in the game early and have huge market share and brand recognition but unless they have exclusive deals with intel/Movidius/realsense, TI etc there is nothing to stop other outfits producing an equally performing product. Doing it cheap is the problem. Nobody can tell me DJI stuff is well made, just look at the injection mouldings. I replaced 5 shells on 3 P3’s and the 4’s are an improvement but it’s not great

Totally disagree... just last week had a screaming collision [in sports mode] with a tree 95 ft up... recovery 2 days later after a harrowing trek through the jungle... broken prop - everything else tip top... [see my post "never ever give up]

 

[Meta4]

I am surprised by your anti-Trump dribble. I come to this site to get info and dialogue on drones not skewed ideologies!

And I'm surprised that you react that way to the simple mention of a couple of inconvenient facts.

 

[dangerd]

It's not so much that companies are greedy, but that government is even more greedy. States like California and New York have driven companies to leave due to high taxes being imposed on business, the government over the last few decades single handedly has been solely responsible for driving companies out of our country. Greed is rampant in our government and that is the primary issue with our country today and why we continue to be taxed excessively for the incompetence and greed that is out of control. When the greed and internal corruption is much larger than the companies' greed that exists in this country it leads to the mess and state of affairs we're in right now.

As said previously before President Trump is doing great economically in this country right now, but how long will that last before the next President destroys that ground and success for this country that has been gained. Competition is very healthy, and competition within our country will not live again unless we bring all other countries onto an even playing field. These tariffs on other countries is an absolute necessity to the economic solvency and success of our great country.

Taxes suck, but that is how we as a country collectively pay for things like roads and schools etc. California is the sixth largest economy in the WORLD. Also I live there. The problem with the taxes is not that they are too high but that instead of using them to help the people build infrastructure, education,healthcare etc, the government gives the money to the rich who least need it as a TAX BREAK, 1.8 TRILLION this time! So the average person is left with none of of the things I previously mentioned to help society as there is nothing left. If you are against paying taxes then you are against helping your fellow Americans, if you think that they are too high and not spent appropriately then elect people who will use them in the correct way to make our country better for everyone not just the top 1%.

Tariffs and trade wars NEVER help anyone, they just make the price of EVERYTHING go UP, and also cause other countries to find somewhere else to buy from.

If you want to solve the problem of corporations offshoring labor and manufacturing then STOP BUYING their products and only purchase items that are made in the USA.

If your awnser is that stuff made here is too expensive then you are a part of the problem, and you don't support your fellow countrymen.

What? You can't find something that is made here?
Thats because UNPATRIOTIC corporations offshored it since THEY didn't want to pay Americans salaries OR taxes, this way they could maximize PROFITS.

By the way corporations got a %12 tax cut this year, did you?

Tariffs and trade wars = BAD.
Citizens making laws to hold corporations to manufacture and hire people from the country they want to sell their products in = GOOD.

Buy your Chinese made drone now because the price is GUARANTEED to rise soon with a trade war on the rise.

Also, a question. How do you think that the USA can win a trade war with a country that makes virtually EVERYTHING almost EVERY American uses everyday? Or with every other country in the world at once?

Ok enough politics for me, let's talk about drones again!

 

[With The Birds]

Totally disagree... just last week had a screaming collision [in sports mode] with a tree 95 ft up... recovery 2 days later after a harrowing trek through the jungle... broken prop - everything else tip top... [see my post "never ever give up]

Well then you aren’t paying attention- the phantom shells have been demonstrated to be ooorly engineered and manufactured, yiunneed not look far to find testimonials from many who have experienced this. You dont need to collide with anything to get the dreaded stress cracks.