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But the problem here is we got (the “ INFO”) from you ( and not from DJI) which makes it all but useless ...
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While not an official announcement from DJI, you can watch Romeo Durscher (Director of Public Safety Integration at DJI ) answer that question in this video.
Does it come with a better quiet prop then the last garbage the put out?
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Not sure if this one been posted but I like it,,retractable landing gear,(scary) looks good though
In my view, the industry has stalled a bit. There is no clear growth path forward for the major manufacturers.
When DJI first came to market with the P3 there was an explosion of innovation, with new products coming out from multiple companies. 3D Robotics, Parrot, Yuneec were all putting out decent products, along with DJI. The P4, Maverick, Typhoon and others continued to push this trend, with some remarkable innovations.
In the last year or so, things seem to have stalled. The new Mavericks are good, the Spark and Tello are toys, the next gen Phantom is stalled and we’ve seen nothing new from Yuneec since the Intel Typhoon (H).
I think things are a bit confused in so far as a market for these devices. All the rules, bans, restrictions and so forth have put real dent in the hobbyist market. What’s the point of buying a tool you can’t use.
Most hobbyists aren’t going to go out and get pilot licenses, unless they move into the professional space. Based on the feedback on the various drone boards, many are frustrated to the point of leaving the hobby all together by the wide spread and incoherent rules and bans on flying drones. This has also pretty much killed the toy market, which maybe is fine, but is a real bummer if you just want to take selfies.
So what’s left is industrial and the pro-consumer markets. Pro-consumer will get the licenses, or a subset will, and go through the headache of figuring out the rules. But even here, as the rules become evermore restrictive and arbitrary, the pro-consumer is less able to use the tools and will eventually final alternatives or just give up. Industrial then is high market, high dollar and in reality a totally different market then consumer and / pro-consumer.
As a manufacturer then your in a bad spot. Do you invest your R&D in to better and better products for the pro-consumer market and risk that market further contracting or disappearing all together. Do you invest purely in the industrial market which is more predictable and less prone to local regulation? Do you stick with cheap toys for the mass market?
It’s no wonder a “P5” release is uncertain. DJI and the other players in this market have a real dilemma on their hands.
When DJI first came to market with the P3 there was an explosion of innovation, with new products coming out from multiple companies. 3D Robotics, Parrot, Yuneec were all putting out decent products, along with DJI. The P4, Maverick, Typhoon and others continued to push this trend, with some remarkable innovations.
In the last year or so, things seem to have stalled. The new Mavericks are good, the Spark and Tello are toys, the next gen Phantom is stalled and we’ve seen nothing new from Yuneec since the Intel Typhoon (H).
I think things are a bit confused in so far as a market for these devices. All the rules, bans, restrictions and so forth have put real dent in the hobbyist market. What’s the point of buying a tool you can’t use.
Most hobbyists aren’t going to go out and get pilot licenses, unless they move into the professional space. Based on the feedback on the various drone boards, many are frustrated to the point of leaving the hobby all together by the wide spread and incoherent rules and bans on flying drones. This has also pretty much killed the toy market, which maybe is fine, but is a real bummer if you just want to take selfies.
So what’s left is industrial and the pro-consumer markets. Pro-consumer will get the licenses, or a subset will, and go through the headache of figuring out the rules. But even here, as the rules become evermore restrictive and arbitrary, the pro-consumer is less able to use the tools and will eventually final alternatives or just give up. Industrial then is high market, high dollar and in reality a totally different market then consumer and / pro-consumer.
As a manufacturer then your in a bad spot. Do you invest your R&D in to better and better products for the pro-consumer market and risk that market further contracting or disappearing all together. Do you invest purely in the industrial market which is more predictable and less prone to local regulation? Do you stick with cheap toys for the mass market?
It’s no wonder a “P5” release is uncertain. DJI and the other players in this market have a real dilemma on their hands.
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What restrictive rules and bans?
Who's asking drone flyers to get licenses?
Nothing you have suggested seems persuasive reasoning for any discontinuance or the phantom shape. It does not seem uncertain- that ended with the P4. All indications are that DJI is continuing to develop new models and that the market is still growing. You probably need to consider that DJI is a bigger concern now than when the phantom was released. They have hired industrial designers and other specialists who have assisted in advancing the design. Bigger budgets and expertise is what we are seeing. The phantom design is probably nothing more than the most practical realisation they could reach (R&D and production cost) at the time. If your heading out with the choice of a Mavic or phantom style AC it’s a pretty sure bet which one you will take with you. There is the most likely reasoning for the move.
Rules and Bans: a few examples would include all National Parks, many State Parks and many local municipalities. Specific to CA and AZ, in Nor Cal, the entire Peninsula, from the City of San Francisco (with a few exceptions) to San Jose. On the East Bay, the entire EBRPD and all managed lands, all Alameda county parks, preserves and open spaces. In AZ, all state parks, most local parks (the rule is that a city can ban drones in all but one local park). Does this mean you literally cannot fly, no there are places you can fly. However, most if not all the desirable areas of natural beauty that a pro-consumer would be interested in photographing, these are restricted in one way or another.
Licenses: This one I am actually on the fence over. In fact, requiring a license might not be such a bad idea. If nothing else, it would help filter out the folks that either don’t understand or don’t follow the rules. This might actually help with some of the various general bans. So far, only those that want to make a business out on drone flight need a license. It’s not unreasonable to assume this requirement will be applied to the broader community of drone hobbyists.
I heard about ole Romeos slip in relation to EOL for the phantom line last month when he was on another pod cast. Skies will definitely be littered with Mavics getting sneezed around in all directions. Know it sounds like I'm a total rubicsdrone hater but I absolutely can see their advantages and useful areas...however they just killed the only platform between that mavic line and the almost bell jet ranger sized inspire....????...I'm sorry but in some instances a bit more girth than a mavic (and not quite as much as an $8,000 inspire rig) can be pretty darned crucial. So then heres hoping their R n D phase they're entering will result in an all new mid sized platform that has no need or benefit to be wadded up and stuffed into ones wallet for ease of transport as I really received no personal inconvenience from the phantoms size or configuration..ok, rant over and hope all is well for everybody! ? #MOURNINGTHEPHABULOUSPHANTOM
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In my view, the industry has stalled a bit. There is no clear growth path forward for the major manufacturers.
Agreed, not only for manufacturers but also for people wanting to enter the field, the market here is already saturated and there is not need for more licensed pilots.
Only the professional area is likely to expand but that market has other factors and dynamics, for instance DJI needs much more aftersales muscle and a true safety culture to get big in that area, nobody likes their 15.000$ equipment falling like a rock or getting devaluated with unclear support/upgrade plans and those shady commercial practices DJI uses with "hobbyists". Besides, the regulators are going to ask for many more answers than the ones we get now from DJI in order to operate in demanding enviroments, for instance clearly defined and published failure models with corresponding chain of events.
For instance, DJI might be asked to have enough after sales muscle for doing a general recall on a drone or battery model in case of a design error.
Agreed, not only for manufacturers but also for people wanting to enter the field, the market here is already saturated and there is not need for more licensed pilots.
Only the professional area is likely to expand but that market has other factors and dynamics, for instance DJI needs much more aftersales muscle and a true safety culture to get big in that area, nobody likes their 15.000$ equipment falling like a rock or getting devaluated with unclear support/upgrade plans and those shady commercial practices DJI uses with "hobbyists". Besides, the regulators are going to ask for many more answers than the ones we get now from DJI in order to operate in demanding enviroments, for instance clearly defined and published failure models with corresponding chain of events.
For instance, DJI might be asked to have enough after sales muscle for doing a general recall on a drone or battery model in case of a design error.
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Will be interesting to see how for this goes.....
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For general recreational flight, all they are asking for is a basic knowledge test.
It's hardly a licence and not a real restriction to your ability to fly.
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After watching the Max Tech video about why he sent his Mavic 2 back, I’ll not be getting a Mavic any time soon. Say what you will about the guy, but he knows cameras, that’s what I truly care about, and I think the Phantom is still the best platform for Pro consumer enthusiasts. If Dji doesn’t make a new drone to fill the Phantom void, I believe that the market will support the company that will.
P.S., I want a micro 4/3 camera on that sucker too.
P.S., I want a micro 4/3 camera on that sucker too.
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I've watched the changes in the U.S. and elsewhere since I started flying in the 1950s. A major change in aviation for the U.S came with the the Aviation Act of 1958 after which time no
Pilots, Navigators, or Mechanics, etc were issued or could get a U.S. FAA issued License. What was issued since that time by the FAA were Certificates. Years ago, as an Independent Designated FAA Examiner when I issued a Certificate I'd be asked why I couldn't issue a License and I'd explain about the Aviation Act of 1958. To this day "No One" has or is required to obtain an U.S. issued FAA License.
Pilots, Navigators, or Mechanics, etc were issued or could get a U.S. FAA issued License. What was issued since that time by the FAA were Certificates. Years ago, as an Independent Designated FAA Examiner when I issued a Certificate I'd be asked why I couldn't issue a License and I'd explain about the Aviation Act of 1958. To this day "No One" has or is required to obtain an U.S. issued FAA License.
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