FYI .. anyone that reads enough forum posts will know that reports of accidental CSC are incredibly rare.
Although some inexperienced flyers imagine it's a real worry and can happen to anyone, it just isn't happening.
If there was an actual ranking of user errors that cause crashes, accidental CSC wouldn't even appear in the top ten.
Yes, I know you think you've found something that proves I'm wrong but you haven't.
The well known DJI top ten listing accidental CSC as top reason is complete bunk and has been debunked many times.
Since you won't believe me .. here's what DJI-Ken says in response to it:
DJI Forum|Change CSC Procedure
DJI Forum|Change CSC Procedure
I followed the first link and read through 10+ pages of the discussion. But I'm not sure why you posted it. Everything I read is - as you said - a repeat of much of what you and I have said in this thread. The guy in that thread who is advocating changes - is spot on with his analysis. He suggests a delay before engaging which I don't think is the right answer - but the reason changes should occur is well articulated - and the responses from the "experienced" members are pretty much useless because they are all based-on "normal flight" patterns.
Some people panic when something goes wrong. I can easily see a newer pilot freaking out when he briefly loses connection with his phantom - or when he thinks he has lost connection. In that situation - is it impossible for you to imagine said pilot hammering on the controls? Pulling them violently from one extreme to another in a desperate (and completely futile) attempt to regain control?
Obviously that's not the right response to the situation. Obviously slamming controls back and forth will not possibly help. But if you can't picture a person doing the above - you're not as experienced as you claim to me. You or I might never do that - but some people might.
You're mission the point if you think our concerns are based on the possibility of an accidental CSC occurring during "normal flight". I, at least, am more concerned about it happening by someone who is panicking because they think something has gone wrong - or someone who is showing off to others how fast and awesome their phantom is.
The fact that the above users are in the wrong when they accidentally engage CSC does not make it land any more softly or hurt any less when it strikes a person as it falls.
Maybe the process can never be made perfect - but it can be improved - and I think it is DJI's responsibility to prevent as many crashes as possible - and there is a clear opportunity for them to do so here.
As I said earlier in the thread - I think the easiest way for them to improve it is to have the CSC stick maneuver execute a solid tone on the remote to give feedback that it has been initiated - and then a quick tap on the power button to confirm intent and engage. Any other action, aborts the CSC. It's just as fast - and it removes all question about a users intent. But - having submitted what I think is best - I'm not locked to it. There are dozens of different things DJI could do to make it better and I'd be fine with any one of them.
The consensus from the "experienced" members here seems to be borne out of arrogance and a feeling of superiority. They ignore the evidence that this does continue to happen - and their underlying tone suggests that the crashed drone is a fitting punishment for someone that was not flying properly.
If they were better people, more enlightened and socially responsible - they would be supportive of at least LOOKING at the process to see if it could be improved instead of dismissing it outright. Their only argument is that it doesn't happen frequently and it shouldn't happen at all if the user is flying properly. They seem to think that a certain number of crashes per year is acceptable as punishment.
My argument is that it we can prevent even 1 crash per year, we should do so. No system is so perfect that it should never be re-examined - and if it is as perfect as people suggest - it should be able to stand up to a little scrutiny.
Until DJI goes a full year without denying a claim for "accidental CSC" - the process which allows that accident to occur should be reviewed to see if it can be made better and safer. And the same is true for all other processes that impact safety.
In any case - I didn't follow the second link you sent - but I'll read it later. And all I saw at the first link was that other people share my desire for constant improvement.
What's most amusing about this topic is that both sides think they have clearly won the argument - but when all of the actual evidence we have access to is considered - it's obvious to me that the argument to "review and improve" is clearly the winner. DJI of course can and will do whatever they want to do - but that doesn't make it right.
Before I close - I do want to mention one post I found interesting over on that other thread. It was from a guy that experienced an accidental CSC while using the "Home Lock" feature - and it made me think about how Autopilot and some of the other 3rd party programs re-map the flight sticks during several of their modes. This could completely eliminate the argument that the stick combinations will NEVER occur during normal flight. Depending how the re-mapping is done - and what kind of shot the user is trying to capture - it may be increasingly likely that a minor error could trigger a CSC. This is probably the best argument yet for detaching the CSC process from the flight sticks and finding another button combination that can engage the emergency motor stop function.
