Hi,
I'm, relatively new to Video editing and was hoping if anyone here is using after effects with the vision plus camera, that you may be able to offer some help - No matter if your not using the same camera.
I must admit that I don't really like the Vision Plus camera. I know it's just entry level but given they charge around a grand just for the camera, I think it actually kind of sucks for that price. Anyways - it's a camera in the sky and its a start. Best I can do is learn when the best times are to shoot, learn to fly smooth and get the angles right. Screen flikr also seems like a hug issue - lots of flaring and so on. Still new to all this so learning the weaknesses is still in progress - there seems to be many with this camera.
ANYWAYS - in the interest of getting better video with the Vision Plus camera ... please do join me with your own opinions and ideas.
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Ive been using the Youtube Render settings of:
H.264 (6-9Mbps) 1920X1080 -
I think I could do better - but not sure which way to go.
More about the Vision Plus Camera Quality:
I notice the quality changes a lot with the type of player one uses to view the footage - Taking the SD card dtraight from the camera and insering into my TV looks much better than using Quicklime on the PC - Quick time looks relay pixalated to me - BIG TIME! - media player a little better - but still not what I would call HD ... perhaps High Depth Pixels that jump about. I love nature - but this thing camera suffers badly with tress, grass and the like - I'm kind of begging my wife to make the editing process much better by actually looking towards getting a camera that does not suffer like a glorified HD web cam as how I am more and more coming to see this Vision plus camera.
sorry I can't butter up my disappointment on that score. Seems cloudy days are my only hope - Overcast conditions seem to help this camera and make it worth actually trying to video something and then uploading. Early morning and evening before it gets to dark. That's how I try to do it, although I do have some midday footage with all the screen flikr one commonly gets with this camera.
Quesiton - Do you find shooting in 1080i 60fps helps keep out the washed out brightness. I know one is not suppose to shoot towards the sun - but this thing suffers terribly even side on - almost useless around midday during summer I'm thinking. Colder temps definitely help - I wonder on humidity as well - I live on the coast.
I tired shooting in the 60fps - but have since learned that they are not full frames - the frames are interlaced with two frames making up a full picture (does that sound right) I don't want to get tooooo complex with all this, however a learning curve I must undertake no doubt. I need to do more tests yet - I was hoping the quckier frame rate might help to eliminate the dreaded washed out affect that I get on bright hot days - BUT - after I render with adobe after effects, the footage looks a bit jerky to me - AND I cant seem to find where to render at 60 frames per second -
I'm thinking it does not record at 60 frames per-second as it's not progressive - WHAT IS THE BENIFIT of shooting on Interlace then??????? Specifically when I can only render at 30fps or 29. whatever ... The ISO setting only relates to the photos I think so no help there cutting down on the washy over bright smear that spoils the video.
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I know how to fix the buggy fishey distortion without to much fuss by using "Optics compensation" under erects/distort -
I have even played with Warp Stabilization to make up for my inexperience and gps flying --- unfortunately if things were not pixly enough - the stabilization edit makes it even worse. I do love that feature though. To over come this - I will try to learn more about flying in course lock -
Course lock - I don't want to do flips and tricks - I just want to fly smoothly in a straight line yet have the ability to slowly turn whilst traveling in the same direction. I don't know, but I think learning to use course lock might be able to help me with that???????? I have not yet enable Nazzi mode - I will soon do this once I get over practicing video ... hard for me to get out of a rut - but I'll get there. I really wish warp stabilization did not make it even worse than it already is. Perhaps I can just downgrade to 720p when using warp stabilizer ... don't know yet ... Shooting Property from high up require full screen viewing and what I am primarily using the drone for.
definitely going to sell this Vision Plus and get a different setup with the a go-pro ...
ANYWAYS -------- Would love to know if there is a special way to Render 1080i in Adobe after effects and keep the 60fps - if indeed there is such a stat ... seems like its not really 60fps to me and cant for the life of me find how to render at those 60fps.
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Currently the best I can think of to improve things - is to pick my times - avoid flying anywhere in the direction of the sun whatsoever. I know this might sound out of the ordinary for someone living in a cold climate who's got great footage in whatever conditions - BUT - conditions have everything to the success of getting clear footage with the vision plus camera as far as I can tell. If only I could have control of aperture, iso and all the rest - but its just not that kind of camera - again - a glorified HD web cam as far as I can see.
Are there any other people out there that understand my frustration with this camera?
Not to worry - I work with what I have - multiple shoots over different times of the day from different directions and so on is where I am at - keeping a check on the angle of camera maybe ... I think adding a hood will complicate the trouble of Gimbal issues when in flight. (lets just call that "Gimbal Tilt Syndrome" - happens on a smooth run sometimes, but could be a gust of wind) - I'm not the only one with that either and seems pointless to keep sending it off for repairs - I just do what I can to learn that as well. Hmmm - just reaching out here ...
I wish I could render at the original file format whatever that may be - I thought just rending at lossless would be the trick but nope - ended up with like a 10 gig file doing that ... ???? The less messing with the original footage I think is key for this camera.
That's my feedback on this camera - if you have any ideas or would care to comment - please do.
TY.
I'm, relatively new to Video editing and was hoping if anyone here is using after effects with the vision plus camera, that you may be able to offer some help - No matter if your not using the same camera.
I must admit that I don't really like the Vision Plus camera. I know it's just entry level but given they charge around a grand just for the camera, I think it actually kind of sucks for that price. Anyways - it's a camera in the sky and its a start. Best I can do is learn when the best times are to shoot, learn to fly smooth and get the angles right. Screen flikr also seems like a hug issue - lots of flaring and so on. Still new to all this so learning the weaknesses is still in progress - there seems to be many with this camera.
ANYWAYS - in the interest of getting better video with the Vision Plus camera ... please do join me with your own opinions and ideas.
________________________________________________
Ive been using the Youtube Render settings of:
H.264 (6-9Mbps) 1920X1080 -
I think I could do better - but not sure which way to go.
More about the Vision Plus Camera Quality:
I notice the quality changes a lot with the type of player one uses to view the footage - Taking the SD card dtraight from the camera and insering into my TV looks much better than using Quicklime on the PC - Quick time looks relay pixalated to me - BIG TIME! - media player a little better - but still not what I would call HD ... perhaps High Depth Pixels that jump about. I love nature - but this thing camera suffers badly with tress, grass and the like - I'm kind of begging my wife to make the editing process much better by actually looking towards getting a camera that does not suffer like a glorified HD web cam as how I am more and more coming to see this Vision plus camera.
sorry I can't butter up my disappointment on that score. Seems cloudy days are my only hope - Overcast conditions seem to help this camera and make it worth actually trying to video something and then uploading. Early morning and evening before it gets to dark. That's how I try to do it, although I do have some midday footage with all the screen flikr one commonly gets with this camera.
Quesiton - Do you find shooting in 1080i 60fps helps keep out the washed out brightness. I know one is not suppose to shoot towards the sun - but this thing suffers terribly even side on - almost useless around midday during summer I'm thinking. Colder temps definitely help - I wonder on humidity as well - I live on the coast.
I tired shooting in the 60fps - but have since learned that they are not full frames - the frames are interlaced with two frames making up a full picture (does that sound right) I don't want to get tooooo complex with all this, however a learning curve I must undertake no doubt. I need to do more tests yet - I was hoping the quckier frame rate might help to eliminate the dreaded washed out affect that I get on bright hot days - BUT - after I render with adobe after effects, the footage looks a bit jerky to me - AND I cant seem to find where to render at 60 frames per second -
I'm thinking it does not record at 60 frames per-second as it's not progressive - WHAT IS THE BENIFIT of shooting on Interlace then??????? Specifically when I can only render at 30fps or 29. whatever ... The ISO setting only relates to the photos I think so no help there cutting down on the washy over bright smear that spoils the video.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I know how to fix the buggy fishey distortion without to much fuss by using "Optics compensation" under erects/distort -
I have even played with Warp Stabilization to make up for my inexperience and gps flying --- unfortunately if things were not pixly enough - the stabilization edit makes it even worse. I do love that feature though. To over come this - I will try to learn more about flying in course lock -
Course lock - I don't want to do flips and tricks - I just want to fly smoothly in a straight line yet have the ability to slowly turn whilst traveling in the same direction. I don't know, but I think learning to use course lock might be able to help me with that???????? I have not yet enable Nazzi mode - I will soon do this once I get over practicing video ... hard for me to get out of a rut - but I'll get there. I really wish warp stabilization did not make it even worse than it already is. Perhaps I can just downgrade to 720p when using warp stabilizer ... don't know yet ... Shooting Property from high up require full screen viewing and what I am primarily using the drone for.
definitely going to sell this Vision Plus and get a different setup with the a go-pro ...
ANYWAYS -------- Would love to know if there is a special way to Render 1080i in Adobe after effects and keep the 60fps - if indeed there is such a stat ... seems like its not really 60fps to me and cant for the life of me find how to render at those 60fps.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Currently the best I can think of to improve things - is to pick my times - avoid flying anywhere in the direction of the sun whatsoever. I know this might sound out of the ordinary for someone living in a cold climate who's got great footage in whatever conditions - BUT - conditions have everything to the success of getting clear footage with the vision plus camera as far as I can tell. If only I could have control of aperture, iso and all the rest - but its just not that kind of camera - again - a glorified HD web cam as far as I can see.
Are there any other people out there that understand my frustration with this camera?
Not to worry - I work with what I have - multiple shoots over different times of the day from different directions and so on is where I am at - keeping a check on the angle of camera maybe ... I think adding a hood will complicate the trouble of Gimbal issues when in flight. (lets just call that "Gimbal Tilt Syndrome" - happens on a smooth run sometimes, but could be a gust of wind) - I'm not the only one with that either and seems pointless to keep sending it off for repairs - I just do what I can to learn that as well. Hmmm - just reaching out here ...
I wish I could render at the original file format whatever that may be - I thought just rending at lossless would be the trick but nope - ended up with like a 10 gig file doing that ... ???? The less messing with the original footage I think is key for this camera.
That's my feedback on this camera - if you have any ideas or would care to comment - please do.
TY.