reginarh said:Now.... will it fly :?
reginarh said:After replacing the camera/gimbal @ a cost of $679.00 + shipping, I figured I had to figure out a way to give it more protection and still not add more wind resistance. In this case I used cable lacing cord and duct table. :roll: (red neck engineering)
To start with I bought a bottom camera guard from "fastsmiles". It's carbon fiber and very strong. Its adds rigidy to the phantoms legs and protects the camera from the bottom. The back of the gimbal is protected by my LED high intensity lamp (with it on I always know the orientation of my bird. Just rotate until I see the light).
The right side is a hinged door (to get to the gimbal lock, and SD card) it is tied shut before flight.
As you can see, the lacing cord is run back and forth and locked into place with the duck tape.
Will all this work ?? Time will tell, but at least it's something.
From my experience with the gimbal, not too much will help if you have a hard landing, especially, with the bird upside down. The 2nd (Y axis) gimbal motor takes the full inertial weight of the camera and tilt gimbal. The shaft from the 2nd gimbal is only press fit into the mating part. At impact it can and does break free. First sign of damage is camera tilt. If the damage is not too bad, there are threads on this site, on how to repair it.
DBS said:reginarh said:Now.... will it fly :?
That's the conundrum... All this stuff people are doing to prevent damage in a crash ... makes your phantom more likely to crash... and then if the crash is a hard one... The protection doesn't really help.
I dunno guys... it's like Darrell Waltrip says about NASCAR racing... "not enough safety equipment causes injuries... too much safety equipment causes crashes"
Many don't realize how little control they actually have over their drone when flying in GPS mode... it is being "flown" by firmware... we merely issue requests to the drone firmware to go this way and that way and how fast... and the firmware interprets and applies those requests in real time while it "flies" your quad for you... and that firmware version is tuned to the crafts weight and aero characteristics. When you throw off those parameters... The firmware doesn't know what to do with certain situations... for example ... All the enhanced VRS crashes with prop guards on... you issue the request for your phantom to reduce altitude... so it flies that pre - tuned pattern to descend... but then a wobble starts... and there is extra weight out on the arms.. and the firmware doesn't know what the hell to do with that extra weight so the wobble gets worse or even fatal when normally it would smooth itself out.
I'm just rambling on but ... "when will your big camera guards affect the firmware negatively and cause an irreconcilable glitch in the flight control... hope its not 100ft up in the air :?
DBS said:reginarh said:Now.... will it fly :?
That's the conundrum... All this stuff people are doing to prevent damage in a crash ... makes your phantom more likely to crash... and then if the crash is a hard one... The protection doesn't really help.
I dunno guys... it's like Darrell Waltrip says about NASCAR racing... "not enough safety equipment causes injuries... too much safety equipment causes crashes"
Many don't realize how little control they actually have over their drone when flying in GPS mode... it is being "flown" by firmware... we merely issue requests to the drone firmware to go this way and that way and how fast... and the firmware interprets and applies those requests in real time while it "flies" your quad for you... and that firmware version is tuned to the crafts weight and aero characteristics. When you throw off those parameters... The firmware doesn't know what to do with certain situations... for example ... All the enhanced VRS crashes with prop guards on... you issue the request for your phantom to reduce altitude... so it flies that pre - tuned pattern to descend... but then a wobble starts... and there is extra weight out on the arms.. and the firmware doesn't know what the hell to do with that extra weight so the wobble gets worse or even fatal when normally it would smooth itself out.
I'm just rambling on but ... "when will your big camera guards affect the firmware negatively and cause an irreconcilable glitch in the flight control... hope its not 100ft up in the air :?
reginarh said:After replacing the camera/gimbal @ a cost of $679.00 + shipping, I figured I had to figure out a way to give it more protection and still not add more wind resistance. In this case I used cable lacing cord and duct table. :roll: (red neck engineering)
To start with I bought a bottom camera guard from "fastsmiles". It's carbon fiber and very strong. Its adds rigidy to the phantoms legs and protects the camera from the bottom. The back of the gimbal is protected by my LED high intensity lamp (with it on I always know the orientation of my bird. Just rotate until I see the light).
The right side is a hinged door (to get to the gimbal lock, and SD card) it is tied shut before flight.
As you can see, the lacing cord is run back and forth and locked into place with the duck tape.
Will all this work ?? Time will tell, but at least it's something.
From my experience with the gimbal, not too much will help if you have a hard landing, especially, with the bird upside down. The 2nd (Y axis) gimbal motor takes the full inertial weight of the camera and tilt gimbal. The shaft from the 2nd gimbal is only press fit into the mating part. At impact it can and does break free. First sign of damage is camera tilt. If the damage is not too bad, there are threads on this site, on how to repair it.
locoworks said:a ballistic parachute like some aircraft have fitted would a nice option, something with enough area for around 1m per sec decent, and airbags on the skids like some heli's have for floatation on water in emergencies, they would act as airbags for the landing.
reginarh said:NYG ****
IT FLY'S JUST FINE. !!! A ND PROTECTED.
Why don't you come up with a better idea, and build it. Let's see what you can do.
I agree it is "ugly" better that than another $679.00. Accidents happen even to the best pilots.
sidebox said:Here is the quick and dirty job. This is designed to fit inside the actual landing gear. The 4 holes at the sides are big enough for sizable zip ties. The notches at either side match up with the the small support brace inside the crease of the landing gear. I will try it out later today. I suspect I may need to beef up the cross-bracing, but we'll see.
sidebox said:Acrylic costs me $4 for a 24 x 12 sheet. I can get 16 "camera guards" out of a single sheet. This makes my cost per camera guard $.25. This laser job will take 2 minutes per guard. This means that you are being charged about $17.50 PER MINUTE of laser work. There is nothing wrong with this. Laser work can cost a lot. The method the person who makes these is using may be different and he may have different overhead expenses. That's not for me to judge. I think camera protection can be done for way cheaper. I wouldn't charge more than $15 for this piece with my material and methodology.
rrmccabe said:sidebox said:Acrylic costs me $4 for a 24 x 12 sheet. I can get 16 "camera guards" out of a single sheet. This makes my cost per camera guard $.25. This laser job will take 2 minutes per guard. This means that you are being charged about $17.50 PER MINUTE of laser work. There is nothing wrong with this. Laser work can cost a lot. The method the person who makes these is using may be different and he may have different overhead expenses. That's not for me to judge. I think camera protection can be done for way cheaper. I wouldn't charge more than $15 for this piece with my material and methodology.
LOL, have to give you a hard time Sidebox. You were saying $35.00 shipped was way to much to pay for a carbon fiber part.
Your checkout. Guess you changed your mind
rrmccabe said:Yea just giving you crap.
I have a small product that I ship USPS too. There is a cost you have to build in for shipping as well as messing around with it packaging it up.
Nothing wrong with your price, nor his.