Was the 4-F intentional???

[cleaner1369]

We were discussing this in another forum last night:

Was what will now forever be known as the 4-F: The Famous Firmware "Foul"-up of twenty-Fifteen intentionally sent out by DJI to cover something else up?

First of all, I'm not making a statement, I'm asking a question...the same question that apparently a LOT of other P3 owners are asking. (>55% by this esteemed forum)

-Why else would DJI (...and their designated trolls) be so obtuse about admitting, much less rectifying, the firmware problem?

-Were only certain production runs of the P3 targeted for firmware "foul"-ups? That's to say, did the firmware updates have imbedded check-sums to target specific (possibly defective) serial numbers of production runs to identify or mask other problems like shell cracks, cold-solder joints, etc. after they were already shipped?

-Why is it taking so long? The entire operating program could have been totally re-written 5 times by now, much less time to be repaired.

-What's so hard about simply making a statement, "This is cutting edge technology and someone dropped the ball. We have our best people working on it right now and we'll have a rollback in the meantime until we can sort this out..."

-Is issuing a firmware rollback that difficult?

DJI owes their (>$1,000.00 a pop) customers an answer.

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[snerd]

Where is Steve Mann with his Limbaugh/Beck crazy comparisons when you really need him?! Dude....... put down the bong and slowly back away.

 

[N017RW]

Thanks snerd.

I'm losing hope for humanity, soooo many conspiracy mongers.

Or... he keeps the bong and put down the keyboard.

 

[snerd]

.......... Or... he keeps the bong and put down the keyboard.

A win/win either way lol!!

 

[RyanK]

What's Limbaugh got to do with it, and since when does he make any crazy comparisons?? Let me guess, you've heard from the media that he does, but never actually listened to the show.

 

[Khador]

First of all, I'm not making a statement, I'm asking a question...the same question that apparently a LOT of other P3 owners are asking. (>55% by this esteemed forum)

What you are possibly seeing are the people who are having problems... the first time most people will join forums like this is when they are researching a problem they are having... if their p3 is working fine then there are lots of people who wont join a place like this. Am i sure this is the whole story... no, but its a reasonable explanation

-Why else would DJI (...and their designated trolls) be so obtuse about admitting, much less rectifying, the firmware problem?

This is most likely at least influenced by culture. Within certain cultures (and corporate cultures). Admitting you are wrong is not done. For example I work for a company owned / run out of Japan, they wont admit they are wrong EVER. Its just not part of their culture / the corporate culture. China is very similar.

-Were only certain production runs of the P3 targeted for firmware "foul"-ups? That's to say, did the firmware updates have imbedded check-sums to target specific (possibly defective) serial numbers of production runs to identify or mask other problems like shell cracks, cold-solder joints, etc. after they were already shipped?

This just sounds plain tinfoil. It is more damaging to reputation and more effort to do this than to issue a recall to fix the devices. I'm not even going to give this the time of day. Sorry

-Why is it taking so long? The entire operating program could have been totally re-written 5 times by now, much less time to be repaired.

Sorry, just plain wrong. Modifying code can be orders of magnitude more difficult than rewriting from scratch, especially with embedded systems. In the former case you have the benefit of having most of the code paths already tested and having a simpler test process in the latter you have to throw away and redo all the QA effort or you end up with the problems you are talking about about above.

-What's so hard about simply making a statement, "This is cutting edge technology and someone dropped the ball. We have our best people working on it right now and we'll have a rollback in the meantime until we can sort this out..."

See my earlier answer.

-Is issuing a firmware rollback that difficult?

Yes, you have so many configurations and conditions to test regression on. You need to put as much effort into testing the rollback mechanism as you do a new fw release. I know, i've done it. If you dont you screw things up more than just rolling on.

As an example If they issued a firmware rollback for example and you found that in the future you couldn't ever upgrade your firmware again (or at least without some further update or hack) because of something that they missed when rolling back how would you feel. I've seen this on embedded systems in the past.

How about if they issued a rollback and just plain bricked a number of devices because of any one of thousands of variables in the whole equation how would you feel about waiting 6/8/10 weeks for your device back.

In both these cases i'm sure you'd be as ***** as you are now. Going forward is the easiest course of action rather than rolling back the firmware.

 

[ianwood]

I'd like to cast my vote for the 4th option: "This thread is pointless. Someone please make it go away."

 

[N017RW]

Well iw....

You're the one here who can do it!

 

[wordsmith]

I love conspiracy theories. They're like a soap opera on steroids. The trouble with most of them is that they rely on way too many people having way too much intelligence. Not really my experience. What it really comes down to, in the words of the immortal Tommy Lee Jones as Two Face in Batman and Robin, is "blind, stinkin', doo daw luck". Gotta run, the Queen, George Bush and a bunch of other Saurians are coming over for tea to discuss the NWO. Maybe I can get some P3 time in before they get here.

 

[Khador]

I love conspiracy theories. They're like a soap opera on steroids. The trouble with most of them is that they rely on way too many people having way too much intelligence. Not really my experience. What it really comes down to, in the words of the immortal Tommy Lee Jones as Two Face in Batman and Robin, is "blind, stinkin', doo daw luck". Gotta run, the Queen, George Bush and a bunch of other Saurians are coming over for tea to discuss the NWO. Maybe I can get some P3 time in before they get here.

Reminded me of Hanlons razor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[jcknows0]

What's Limbaugh got to do with it, and since when does he make any crazy comparisons?? Let me guess, you've heard from the media that he does, but never actually listened to the show.

Do you really think "The Media" wastes time analyzing Rush Limbaugh other than when he admitted to his prescription pill addiciton? I'm pretty sure everyone has heard Rush Limbaugh at some point as its impossible to listen to the radio in this country without running into him and the clones.

 

[SteelGator]

What's Limbaugh got to do with it, and since when does he make any crazy comparisons?? Let me guess, you've heard from the media that he does, but never actually listened to the show.

You comment makes me wonder if you ever listened. Admittedly, it has been years upon years since I have tuned into his show, but he used to make a habit of illustrating the absurd by being more absurd. In fact, he would frequently explain that he was doing it just to highlight how crazy things are.

Inf fact, here is a headline from HIS web site:

We're Illustrating Absurdity by Being Absurd: Did Obama's Anti-Boss Rhetoric Inspire Empire State Building Shooter?

 

[Panotaker]

I heard that if you use the same computer that you use to watch porn to download the latest firmware, that you will have firmware problems. That probably explains why so many people are having firmware problems.