So as I’m flying over the Missouri river along the South Dakota Nebraska border taking pictures of an old railroad bridge clearly over as I launched from my boat. When I am yelled at through a bull horn from shore by a park ranger to come over. I see a sheriff’s car parked with him as well so I bring my craft down, pull up anchor and drive over.
I’m told it is illegal to fly drones in a national park and to not fly anymore. Not trying to be being confrontational or wanting to push for a ticket I calmly ask I thought these are state parks on both sides of the river (As you have to have a state park sticker to launch boat or camp) he said no their national parks as the army core of engineers owns the water way (there is a dam approx. 1 mile up river)
So I ask ok so how far away from the **** do I need to be if I’m over the water? I’m just filming boats skiers and bridges. He tells me 2 locations making up approx. a 40 mile stretch up and down river. Quoiting in his words a 1996 ban on drones in all nation parks. So Now I know he is unsure and blowing smoke up my a#%.But I said ok and loaded up and moved on.
As a side note about this time a helicopter comes flying up the river appox 100-150ft off the water and fly’s right up to the dam, hovers and fly’s around with tourist taking picture. And fly’s back down the river.
Wow really and my little drone if causing wildlife problems and bothers park goers but that thing is just fine
NOW IM LOOKING FOR HELP
1. After some google research I see the national director banned drones in nation parks but each park must right there own rules and implement and only about 8 have so far.
2. I can’t find the exact law or rule they are using in general or park specific
3. Although I don’t agree with! it ok they banned them in parks ,but how do they ban them over a public river especially with privet homes and docks all along and a city, There has to be some limit to the distance of control and if so how do I find that
I have found the regional nation park directors number for this area
As well as the state parks director (since it was a state park ranger)
And will try to contact them for clarification as I film a lot of sail boat races in this area and need to have some documentation as to what I can and can’t do.
I thought with all the vast knowledge here someone may have a few links or people I could contact or actual rule or law numbers So I can have documentation next time I’m approached and don’t have to cave so easily.
Thanks for your help any and all
OLD BRIGE NOW A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ONLY
update update
I made a phone call to the regional NPA in my area and left message for Head Patty Trap
I was called back by Superintendent Mark Engler who was very friendly and very helpful after explaining my case and location he sees no reason I should not be able to fly at this location. And explained the Ranger may have been wrong, as this is a new policy and they still trying to figure it out.
He put me in contact with Steve Thede Deputy Superintendent for the district. Who was also super friendly and seemed genuinely for our cause. He also seen no reason I could not fly in this area as it is outside the nation park boundary’s
I explained that the Ranger said (with the dam being approx. one mile away in this area that the army corps of engineers was national and they asked for them to not allow drones) I explained that I would like helicopters to stop flying over the dam as it loud and scares my kids but the rangers can’t stop that without a law on the books and drones are no different. He agreed and knew of no law or ban on drones in this area
He also informed me for what its worth that if I fly from private land or land just outside the parks I can overfly them as they only ban taking off or landing in park boundaries or waters and not over flights. He Said not the best relationship builder but if went to court I would win as per there wording.
I Don’t know that this would work in all parks! I feel if I fly up to Mt Rushmore with my drone no matter where I’m flying from I think there coming to get me. But if you’re out in the badlands and can overfly from Outside Park boundaries I think you would be ok as per his direct quote.
Anyway he has contacted the local Park ranger managing the actual area I was flying Superintendent Rick Clark to check out the situation and inform him of our findings from the top down.
Steve Said he is sure the flights can continue and will get back to me within a few days.
Side note from the top all the way down comments were made of how great I handled this situation ,by landing saying ok for today looking into it and trying to contact the right people. This goes along ways towards getting the help you need VS a sorry don’t fly there its banned with no looking into.
Good news I have the direct line to regional manager division manager local park manager now so if I ever have trouble again I can keep flying and say here please call them as its already been cleared
.
Good to know not all Rangers are on the ban them bandwagon
I’m told it is illegal to fly drones in a national park and to not fly anymore. Not trying to be being confrontational or wanting to push for a ticket I calmly ask I thought these are state parks on both sides of the river (As you have to have a state park sticker to launch boat or camp) he said no their national parks as the army core of engineers owns the water way (there is a dam approx. 1 mile up river)
So I ask ok so how far away from the **** do I need to be if I’m over the water? I’m just filming boats skiers and bridges. He tells me 2 locations making up approx. a 40 mile stretch up and down river. Quoiting in his words a 1996 ban on drones in all nation parks. So Now I know he is unsure and blowing smoke up my a#%.But I said ok and loaded up and moved on.
As a side note about this time a helicopter comes flying up the river appox 100-150ft off the water and fly’s right up to the dam, hovers and fly’s around with tourist taking picture. And fly’s back down the river.
Wow really and my little drone if causing wildlife problems and bothers park goers but that thing is just fine
NOW IM LOOKING FOR HELP
1. After some google research I see the national director banned drones in nation parks but each park must right there own rules and implement and only about 8 have so far.
2. I can’t find the exact law or rule they are using in general or park specific
3. Although I don’t agree with! it ok they banned them in parks ,but how do they ban them over a public river especially with privet homes and docks all along and a city, There has to be some limit to the distance of control and if so how do I find that
I have found the regional nation park directors number for this area
As well as the state parks director (since it was a state park ranger)
And will try to contact them for clarification as I film a lot of sail boat races in this area and need to have some documentation as to what I can and can’t do.
I thought with all the vast knowledge here someone may have a few links or people I could contact or actual rule or law numbers So I can have documentation next time I’m approached and don’t have to cave so easily.
Thanks for your help any and all
OLD BRIGE NOW A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ONLY
update update
I made a phone call to the regional NPA in my area and left message for Head Patty Trap
I was called back by Superintendent Mark Engler who was very friendly and very helpful after explaining my case and location he sees no reason I should not be able to fly at this location. And explained the Ranger may have been wrong, as this is a new policy and they still trying to figure it out.
He put me in contact with Steve Thede Deputy Superintendent for the district. Who was also super friendly and seemed genuinely for our cause. He also seen no reason I could not fly in this area as it is outside the nation park boundary’s
I explained that the Ranger said (with the dam being approx. one mile away in this area that the army corps of engineers was national and they asked for them to not allow drones) I explained that I would like helicopters to stop flying over the dam as it loud and scares my kids but the rangers can’t stop that without a law on the books and drones are no different. He agreed and knew of no law or ban on drones in this area
He also informed me for what its worth that if I fly from private land or land just outside the parks I can overfly them as they only ban taking off or landing in park boundaries or waters and not over flights. He Said not the best relationship builder but if went to court I would win as per there wording.
I Don’t know that this would work in all parks! I feel if I fly up to Mt Rushmore with my drone no matter where I’m flying from I think there coming to get me. But if you’re out in the badlands and can overfly from Outside Park boundaries I think you would be ok as per his direct quote.
Anyway he has contacted the local Park ranger managing the actual area I was flying Superintendent Rick Clark to check out the situation and inform him of our findings from the top down.
Steve Said he is sure the flights can continue and will get back to me within a few days.
Side note from the top all the way down comments were made of how great I handled this situation ,by landing saying ok for today looking into it and trying to contact the right people. This goes along ways towards getting the help you need VS a sorry don’t fly there its banned with no looking into.
Good news I have the direct line to regional manager division manager local park manager now so if I ever have trouble again I can keep flying and say here please call them as its already been cleared
.
Good to know not all Rangers are on the ban them bandwagon